Buff Bards or Riot

[Wavaryen]

Kinda agree about this. Why change the flavor of the class that much? Things will get tweaked.

[LTEvil]

If they aren't getting a buff....can we change Df formula to not allow two brds two mchs or brd and mch as dps...it's just so painful.

Ps don't hurt me I'm on your side.

[sirDarts]

"You can't get the same DPS as other DPS classes, you have too much utility!"
Yeah. Sure. But I will never understand why Archer isn't the same as Arcanist in the sense that they split into two jobs, one being Bard, a support ranged DPS, and a Ranger, or Sniper, who is focused on his own DPS and has no such thing as songs.

[AskaRay]

"You can't get the same DPS as other DPS classes, you have too much utility!"
Yeah. Sure. But I will never understand why Archer isn't the same as Arcanist in the sense that they split into two jobs, one being Bard, a support ranged DPS, and a Ranger, or Sniper, who is focused on his own DPS and has no such thing as songs.

Because they didn't... I mean who knows why. It would've worked out better than SMN/SCH I would think.

But it's not, we only have Bard.

[Entropic]

Buff Bards or Riot
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[AskaRay]

wait guys,
buff bards or
BUFF bards

[Reinha]

I'll join the riot (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

Bard was my main in ARR and I've been dreading WM since I first read about it. Before I thought I would at least get other fun abilities, but now I find out they are tied to WM... Let's see. I have the option of getting to use only one new skill (edit. actually 2 skills, there's a tooltip mistake) while other classes get 5, which is a relative nerf to the already low bard dps. Another option is that I sing WM and use those new skills, which results in no more dps (so the relative nerf remains), and on top of that I lose my mobility. A bad option and a worse option... uhhhm I think I'll play summoner instead. They can at least outdps an equally geared off tanking warrior unlike bard.

[Mimiru_S]

For the moment i'd like to see them buff the damage bonus of WM, a bit, and remove the 3 second cast time, to activate it. That would at least allow us to swap between damage and mobility, on the fly. Rather than having to stop all dps for about 5 seconds, to cast WM and a follow up shot.

[Waeksyn]

Now that I've played the job at 60 for a few days, it's clear to me that Bard has definitely been nerfed and needs to be tweaked back into parity with the other DPS classes. The loss of mobility is not so bad - i can get used to the nerf on my movement (I turn off WM for really movement intensive engagements). It's the dmg nerf that is so depressing. What makes this doubly depressing is that this dmg nerf is NOT offset by any new party support value at all.

This could be fixed in a few ways. The dmg increase under WM could be raised to 30%. Recast on barrage (while under WM) could be reduced from 45 sec to 30 and the recast on Emp Arrow and Sidewinder also reduced. They could also remove the loss of damage while singing Ballad or Army's Paeon while under WM.

Reducing recast on barrage would be my vote.

[KyteStones]

Here's the problem with these threads..you people (bards) are always jumping around running around shooting your arrows and never sitting still. This annoys me. You'd never see an archer do that (fantasy game or not). I think this is a good thing having your asses planted to the ground in order to fire your arrows efficiently instead of jumping around like you're all on PCP. If you don't like the move, don't use it.

You think I use all of my BLM spells? Like I cast freeze ever anymore. Oh wait, Lethargy? Useful on the slime in Syracus Tower and that's only to delay the slime long enough to kill. Apocostacsis? Yeah... MAYBE used once. It doesn't do that much for me to worry about.

I have plenty of moves that are useless and that I don't use. So where are my massive complaint threads about removing these useless skills and replacing them with more useful ones? Oh wait...there are none! Why? Because we learn to adapt to the class and make it better with out those useless moves.