Buff Bards or Riot

[Refna]

You can't and never will because of our TP/MP regen songs..

Yet Ninjas also do that. Should Ninja be punished also?

But the current gap is still too big compare to BLM and SMN

[AskaRay]

Yet Ninjas also do that. Should Ninja be punished also?

But the current gap is still too big compare to BLM and SMN

The gap is too big, that's why I think we do need some kind of damage buff. Ninjas can only Goad one person every two minutes and thats only TP, bards can sing for as long as their own MP allows and can restore TP or MP.

[Slirith]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...hould-be-lower

[Alberel]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...hould-be-lower

The simple fact that parties were stacking bards to rotate their songs back in 2.0 shows that the nerfs to BRD were very much needed. Other jobs have utility, yes, but none as incredibly potent as BRD and MCH have. You can argue about it as much as you like but it doesn't change the facts; we've not seen parties stacking other jobs for their utility as we saw with BRDs.

Do BRDs and MCHs need some attention and buffs? Yes. But don't ever expect them to be returned to the level of the likes of SMN and BLM as SE is well aware that parties would start stacking BRDs and MCHs again if they dealt competitive DPS whilst giving the rest of the party infinite resources.

[zcrash970]

Yea, WM is fine, just that when i activates it, i expect to do DPS similar to a BLM/SMN. The skills are so poorly implemented right now.

If you are expecting a ranged physical dps to equal a magic range dps you are gonna have a bad time.

You bring party wide support over a much longer duration than any other class that means less dps. Does BRD/MCH need better buffs? Sure, if only to stop complaining. I agree that MCH needs a dps buff, both in support and dps.

I would like to see ammo for MCH to be more unique. Maybe if you use Hot Shot with ammo, it will now increase your dmg by 10% instead of 5%. Maybe turn the basic proc chain (Spilt Shot> Slug Shot>Clean Shot) into a combo, but now with ammo, each attack will give an additional effect. Split Shot could distributed dmg in an aoe much like MCH last skill. Slug Shot could do a heavy dmg increase. Clean Shot could give a crit rate up on the enemy.

I'm hardly a game designer so don't chew me out.

[Ransu]

yet 95% of people complainin about how bard is destroyed now are complaining about not being able to attack like used to while moving lolz

just to use an example some1 in the FC im in ranted and whined for good hour yesterday about how bard is utterly destroyed n not worth playing cause cant attack while moving .. wanna know the funny side of it?? his/her bard was level 51 so how would he/she know??

To be fair, you can't just drastically change a playstyle and expect the masses to be ok with it. If people wanted to have cast times and be rooted in place they would have leveled a BLM. WM to me just seems like nothing more than a way to homogenize the class in the poorest way possible.

[Yoruichi4478]

yet 95% of people complainin about how bard is destroyed now are complaining about not being able to attack like used to while moving lolz

just to use an example some1 in the FC im in ranted and whined for good hour yesterday about how bard is utterly destroyed n not worth playing cause cant attack while moving .. wanna know the funny side of it?? his/her bard was level 51 so how would he/she know??

Perhaps they saw lvl 60 bards in action and saw that would be them soon enough?

[FateAudax]

lol really dont know why people are Q.Qing nothin wrong to the changes with bard imo.. every1 expects to be legolas these days?? run all around the place n still shoot some1 between the eyes?? the changes to bard now is actually is more like an archer than what it was b4

No one is stopping you from being bow mage but I believe those of us who do not like being bow mage have the right to voice out as well

There are some of us who plays a bard because it is the only mobile range dps class. If SE wants to change bard to be a bow mage, then so be it but give us another mobile dps class. I don't care if it has lower dps than the main dps dealers (DRG, MNK, NIN, SMN, BLM) but just give us the option of having a mobile dps class.

[Vespar]

lol really dont know why people are Q.Qing nothin wrong to the changes with bard imo.. every1 expects to be legolas these days?? run all around the place n still shoot some1 between the eyes?? the changes to bard now is actually is more like an archer than what it was b4

I am disinclined to agree. That was the fun of Bard, the fact you could move and have fun with it was part of its playstyle. Now I just feel like a BLM but w/o the power, and that right there should tell you that the Uniqueness of the class has been lost.

I dont think this change would have bothered me half as much had they notified us well in advance so I could gear out and get comfortable playing a new main....

[Ooshima]

Having played both BRD and MCH at 60 and it is rather obvious that they slapped a MCH on the BRD lmao.

If we were to talk about perm "casting" stance then MCH is much better at movement management than BRD because it has more different oGCDs at disposal and able to generate Slug Shot/Clean Shot procs that can be held on like how BLM uses Fire 3 procs in movements.

BRD has... nothing.