Quote Originally Posted by Eidolon View Post
Fun fact: That was with -all- of them being at the top of their game. Again, ONE PERSON can not push the DPS needed to clear a check. There are a TON of players right now that are STILL learning their roles. Don't compare the hardcore blitzers to those who are casually taking their time.

Seriously, your comparison is like saying that you should be ashamed if you have an i130 DRG in a T13 party pre-patch and not clearing just because everyone else was i123. @_@ Stop being rediculous.
Which eventually you are driving at the same thing I'm driving at

"git gud or get rekt"

Seriously unless your party is full of DRK/AST/MCH then fine, new jobs. But if you are talking about a party with at least IL160 pieces from dungeons and a IL170 weapon on old jobs and still failed Bismarck then yes, the only remedy is to get better.