MCH... I'm done.

[Nyme]

Well, what hasn't been said about this class already? I'm not going to be saying the same things that everyone else has already said.

The purpose of this thread is to tell SE the situation that i have been forced into as a Machinist, after leveling to 60, gearing up and then clearing Bismarck EX, it finally hit me how bad this class actually is and the experience forced me to change jobs back to my DRG.


I waited for this class ever since it was announced, but after already playing BRD from 2.0 Launch, it hit me straight away that the class we got was just a clone with more rng put in and more micromanaging of your skills, ok fine, i could have lived with this but after seeing how BADLY MCH's (Including myself) parse even against tanks, i just don't want to drag my raid groups down by playing a class that can't compare to any other dps class out there and when they are forced into performing better because of the fact that no matter how lucky and perfect my rotations are, i still can't perform on the level that is required.

So, thank you Square Enix for creating a new class that is a clone rip-off from another class, putting in rng elements that make you fall asleep and just all around failing the dps players that wanted to play this class.

[popotaro]

If they went easy on this RNG... I used Split Shot ten times in a row and never got a proc haha Once i'm 60, i'll go DRG or BLM, i'm done with mch

[Odowla]

I used Split Shot ten times in a row and never got a proc

10 x 2.5 = 25

quick reload cooldown is 30 seconds

I guess you messed up here then, if you didnt get a proc in 30 seconds..considering you get a free proc every 30 seconds.

[Ryaz]

10 x 2.5 = 25

quick reload cooldown is 30 seconds

I guess you messed up here then, if you didnt get a proc in 30 seconds..considering you get a free proc every 30 seconds.

He was most likely exaggerating a bit. However, I have a record of 7 in a row without a proc myself. As I mentioned in another thread, I don't seem to have a problem proccing Clean Shot, but Split Shot feels more like a 25% chance and not 50. You get a lot of droughts with that ability.

I'm going to get myself geared up more before I make any decisions. I'll be leveling my ninja while waiting on dungeon queues just in case, though.

[Ephier]

RNG is not a huge factor in DPS, something like 20 to 30. Gauss barrel is weak and low potency skills is the problem.

[SovereignAegis]

RNG is not a huge factor in DPS, something like 20 to 30. Gauss barrel is weak and low potency skills is the problem.

I disagree strongfly on the RNG part.

The RNG is at present costing a ridiculous amount of our damage.

I'd prefer the ammo system be used to instead add potency or a bonus effect (bleed? something?) to our abilities opposed to the current RNG status. just make it our flat out combo and then add potency through bullets/reload.

[RazeLandale]

I disagree strongfly on the RNG part.

The RNG is at present costing a ridiculous amount of our damage.

Rng balances itself out over a extended fight. The more you attack the more consistent it'll get. It's just mch damage is low without procs and low with procs.

[Ephemiel]

Rng balances itself out over a extended fight. The more you attack the more consistent it'll get. It's just mch damage is low without procs and low with procs.

I don't understand this logic at all.

[SuzakuCMX]

I don't understand this logic at all.

Law of Large numbers. Probability is hard to see with small sample sizes. You'd need a sample size of over 500 to get something within 5% of 50% proc chance consistently.

Meanwhile you're probably only gonna use Split Shot around 100 times in a fight, in which case you would only remember the times RNG screwed you by giving you 7 non-procs in a row. You won't notice that your proc chance is actually around 50% with a large margin of error.

EDIT: though I agree relying on RNG procs is unsatisfying when it screws you, as well as Cleaner Shot only having 20 more potency than Enhanced Split. Cleaner Shot is good because it's 100 more potency than Split shot, but you really only see how small the difference is from Slug to Clean.

[Snowaeth]

Potencies can easily be fixed, unlike other issues.
Also MCH isn't all that weak people already managing to parse over 1k on a dummy with it where the BRD's are still not getting beyond like 930.

If there are issues with actual skill kit that's where the worries should lie and MCH kit isn't all that bad as it works together and just needs a few potencies tweaked.
Unlike BRD which had a Gauss Barrel (WM) thrown into their kit which totally doesn't fit the BRD kit.

If you'r quitting over not enough dps due to potency, then I suppose gameplay doesn't matter to you.
Those that quit because of issues with the skill kit I can understand since that's not something which is guaranteed to be changed.