I would like a numerical analysis of Bard MP regain and MCH MP regain

[Ryaz]

So anymore people have evidence one way or another?

I got told today I was wrong and MCH is lower.

MCH restores 30 TP/MP every tick. Not sure what Bard's songs do.

[SovereignAegis]

According to this website Mages ballad is 30 as well.

Anyone can confirm/refute from Bard side of things?

http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Mage's_Ballad

[Ryaz]

http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Promotion

Same site has it. It should be the same for both (and the range on the turrets is much larger than the animation appears). I honestly don't see why they'd give one class a worse version.

[Rayokarna]

I'm assuming MCH gets the benefit of Hypercharge where BRD don't get the benefit of Battle Voice. Saying that with how easily the Turret gets knocked around, BRD is still more practical in that sense.

[RiceisNice]

I'm assuming MCH gets the benefit of Hypercharge where BRD don't get the benefit of Battle Voice. Saying that with how easily the Turret gets knocked around, BRD is still more practical in that sense.

Hypercharge is one of MCH's dps cooldown. It's a hit to their overall damage (which is already pretty damn low relatively) if it's not used on cooldown and instead saved for emergencies. Not the case to the same degree for battle voice.

MCH does get the benefit of being instant cast and off the GCD. It's easier for them pop it up during downtime phases like Ravana's linebacker tackles or Bismarck's breach blast.

[Wishles]

Yeah, the instant cast promotion for MP/TP gain is such a huge benefit for MCH over BRDs. BRDs lose a noticeable DPS output through their cast times when singing -- and then the DPS loss from Ballad and Paeon -- that makes it really not a good class over MCH, especially with similar DPS parse numbers.

[RiceisNice]

Yeah, the instant cast promotion for MP/TP gain is such a huge benefit for MCH over BRDs. BRDs lose a noticeable DPS output through their cast times when singing -- and then the DPS loss from Ballad and Paeon -- that makes it really not a good class over MCH, especially with similar DPS parse numbers.

Machinists takes a dps loss too with promotion, around the same degree as singing. More if you're holding off hypercharge to boost mp/tp in case of emergency.

[Rayokarna]

Hypercharge is one of MCH's dps cooldown. It's a hit to their overall damage (which is already pretty damn low relatively) if it's not used on cooldown and instead saved for emergencies. Not the case to the same degree for battle voice.

MCH does get the benefit of being instant cast and off the GCD. It's easier for them pop it up during downtime phases like Ravana's linebacker tackles or Bismarck's breach blast.

Yeah of course. This is just in the case of where you need to MP/TP regen. More often than not, it's always more practical for the BRD to do it since they can easily position themselves to be in range. Nothing more annoying then setting up a turret to only have it being knocked around so you have to place it again.

Yeah, the instant cast promotion for MP/TP gain is such a huge benefit for MCH over BRDs. BRDs lose a noticeable DPS output through their cast times when singing -- and then the DPS loss from Ballad and Paeon -- that makes it really not a good class over MCH, especially with similar DPS parse numbers.

It's around the same, losing Auto attack of the turret and the possible Hypercharge 5% boost is massive and creates a bit of a swing scenario. So it's just as important. The point is that it's still really practical for BRD to do it. Sometimes if I'm with my FC, me and the BRD delegate on what type of regen between us if the party needs it.

[Ryaz]

So, speaking of numbers... Just wondering what kind of numbers people have been seeing from Ricochet? I hit a 5k today-- 1200 crit and 4k crit on a single target.

And has anyone figured out if skill speed affects the turret like spell speed does with SMN pets?

[Keylus]

I have a couple of questions about Hypercharge, does it put the debuff each time it atacks? if so, can I promote an hypercharged turret?
I was thinking on use Hypercharge, let my torrent apply the debuff the enemy, then promote it and give a huge TP regen for 10 sec and then depromote it so it can apply the debuff again