Malefic clarification question

[chumsy]

Malefic I & II have different MP costs. Use I if you're concerned about MP otherwise use II, I believe that's the intended purpose for having both.

[Donarudo]

It doesn't matter.

You're right and when Bole is up I TD it, but when I don't get Bole, I TD my HoTs. Also if you're casting apsected Helios properly its a moot point. ie: you should't be casting it unless you expect aoe dmg and toss a Aspected Bene on each person as well in prep for aoe dmg. Otherwise you are over healing, and there in lies the mana issue most people are faced with. TD is on a 90 second timer which is nothing because even most trash fights are that or a little less. I'd rather TD my HoTs as well as it actually does conserve mana...means I am not casting Hots on the tank as often. Also at level 60 with full ilvl 170 and 180 weapon my HoTs tick for an insane amount. Pair that with CU at the right time, and nobody is going to die. For the record I have had cu crit for 1400.

[Krixus]

It doesn't matter, because you can recast the hots(One of which you need to recast anyway so the rest of the party has it). Now if the tank has bole that's fine, because extending bole on a hard fight is a good use of time dilation. Extending the tanks hots on top of that is just gravy. But you should always be dilating cards, JUST using it to extend hots is a tremendous waste.

90% of the time I'd say Im using dialation on balance or arrow on my highest parsing dps. But if i know I'll be dodging alot of mechanics soon or just not able to fully focus the tank, I'll dialate the Hots on my MT. Saying it doesn't matter cause you can recast them is kind of silly (takes time on the GCD not allowing you to cure). Could say astro's lower potency doesn't matter cause you can cast twice... but no one will. It basically doubles the potency of your regens, costing no mp. But overall its obviously best to assess the situation and use dialation where its going to do the most good, which often isnt the regens.

[Shamirah]

bla bla bla mad talk bla bka bka

XD someone needs to get some air from the looks of it.

So I repeat : nocturnal is garbage. Diurnal is better in every shape or form.

Secondly : increasing the duration of the hots is not that big of a deal because : the aspected helios hot you'll want to refresh on your party member so extending it on the tank means nothing. Also, increasing the aspected benefit hot is not a big of a deal since aspected has no cd so you can still reapply it manually. And no, the mana saved is not what's gonna make a difference. THE ONLY TIME where extending the duration of the hots is really great is when you extend the hots you used with a healing increase since it snapshots. But it's situational.

So like I said, not a big deal. Where did I ever said that bole was weaker than Collective Unconscious ?

Bard - Quick Nock
Dragoon - Impulse Drive
Paladin - Shield Swipe
Monk - One llm punch
WHM - Stone 1... Stone 2 also if you want to count heavensward since Stone3 exists

Yup, someone already corrected me. My bad.

It doesn't matter, because you can recast the hots(One of which you need to recast anyway so the rest of the party has it). Now if the tank has bole that's fine, because extending bole on a hard fight is a good use of time dilation. Extending the tanks hots on top of that is just gravy. But you should always be dilating cards, JUST using it to extend hots is a tremendous waste.

+1

[Donarudo]

Yep

Your ignorance really shows in this thread. My argument with you is over. Can't fix stupid I suppose.

[Shamirah]

Ah the classic "i don't have anything to say so i'm gonna call you stupid !"

:')

[JonFarron]

Nocturnal sect is garbage..

Are you KIDDING me????? Instant cast shields from Aspected Benefic in Nocturnal are LIFE SAVERS. I can't tell you how many times I've saved someone from not making it out of an AoE, a tank hanging by a thread, or even myself. Yes, Diurnal is great and all, but Nocturnal most definitely has its uses. Plus, Nocturnal adds a 5% healing boost which actually is noticeable. I'm also going to add that um... not every fight has a Scholar.

[Shamirah]

Like I said, the shield is so bad. The hots from Diurnal are way better. Yeah you saved them... you could have save them aswell in diurnal.

I healed and kileld both bismarck ex and ravana ex with a whm while in diurnal stance. The stackings hots are way too good to pass. If there is a fight where you really need shields.. just take a scholar. Ast is never ever gonna be taken for its nocturnal sect. It's just that bad.

Not only does it not stack with SCH's shields, the shiels cannot crit...

Diurnal >>>>>>>>>>> Nocturnal.

The 5% increase potency is great and dandy, but it does not make up for the hots or the increased cast speed.

[Kietsu]

snip.

I honestly have to agree.
Why don't you use Nocturnal Sect when you're with a SCH? Because shields don't stack.
Why don't you use Dirunal Sect when you're with a WHM? Because that seems intuitive, but it's also kind of wrong.