Dev, please confirm MCH buffs before Alexander release?

[KyteStones]

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When he's awake I will get the full rundown of his rotation, but I do agree that the class relying on the AST is nonsense, but it does boost it. You're right using the term babysitting because thats what it basically is. I'm not denying theres issues with the class. I'm mearly stating that it's not nearly as bad as it could be and people need to relax with the freakout threads.

-Post Your results
-Post your rotations
-Post changes

Saying the class is completely broken and unplayable like a ton of these htreads are, isn't going to get the class fixed at all.

[LittleArrow]

When he's awake I will get the full rundown of his rotation, but I do agree that the class relying on the AST is nonsense, but it does boost it. You're right using the term babysitting because thats what it basically is. I'm not denying theres issues with the class. I'm mearly stating that it's not nearly as bad as it could be and people need to relax with the freakout threads.

-Post Your results
-Post your rotations
-Post changes

Saying the class is completely broken and unplayable like a ton of these htreads are, isn't going to get the class fixed at all.

You've obviously not read my other thread or other posts. I post data that has been recorded, suggested fixes, and in those posts are rotations. Not to mention the recorded data so far does suggest it is that bad. I don't post my own b/c I don't go so far as to say I know more about this class than those that are actually testing it.

If you think these are rant threads, then sure, I could see that. However, in these threads are precious arguments that prove far more than just player frustration. Maybe you'd do well to read those arguments before coming into these threads to criticize other people's observations who actually play the class and test it.

I apologize for sounding so harsh, but your post read incredibly rude and blatantly disrespectful to those who have a serious passion for this class with the evidence to back their claims.

If you're interested in reading evidence, here's my thread with posts to reddit threads.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ious-attention

If you feel the arguments presented don't have merit, then please refer to them and discuss how these arguments are flawed. However, I only ask that you actually read the entire argument. Examine the evidence that is presented or logical issues within the problem that is being questioned.

[Bluejay]

Not even close, and MCH is a much harder class to play so it should be outputting more dps then bard.

That is just silly. If one DPS had a numerical advantage just because it was hard then everyone playing a DPS would switch to that class and just practice enough to be play it well. Then SE would have to balance all of the content for the new swarm of the more difficult, higher DPS class and all the other DPS would be too weak to compete.

So you would destroy any class diversity and unbalance the entire game all because you thought one class was more difficult to play.

And none of the classes in this game are really hard to play anyway. If you want hard go back to FF 11 or the original EQ.

[Shhikasan]

any all fellow brds/mchs if your ilvl180 already like i am just time to level those melee characters and just start stacking them(or smns) It seems as with a good group in ravana I never NEEDED to put down my tp/mp regen

[PlumpyMcduff]

Devs, we need these changes in before Alexander... there's already anti-MCH sentiment going around all over the place.

In tonight's hotfixes, please? A confirmation? A word that you're reading this?

[Valoiz]

Ppl still not get the idea of support/DPS , even if "theres not a support queue" u NEED/want the support this jobs give to groups, so sorry for the ones who tho MCH supose to do, or will ever do, as much DPS compare to a pure DPS, but not going to happen. If MCh dps is close/similiar to BRD, then is ok.

Also u will prolly see lower numbers from ur skills (compare to BRD) cuz the turrents (like SMN-egi) does part of ur DPS.

[Chibilidawg]

We all know this Valoiz.

What you're not getting is that we think the disparity is too great.

And that we should at least exceed the damage output of healers & tanks in net average DPS over at least 3 1/2 minutes.

Which, maybe if we're supremely lucky praying to RNGesus, that happens right now.

Also, GB/WM should enable us to be in a close-proximity DPS range to that of a BLM or SMN if Promotion/AP/MB/FR are inactive... but they're too undertuned & poorly designed such that this isn't the case. For MCH at least, it's suboptimal to keep GB active 100% & deactivating it at appropriate times still doesn't make up the stark difference in subpar DPS as compared to BLM/SMN.

[LittleArrow]

I thought it would be nice to read that just like BRDs and wanderer's minuet, the JP forums are also upset with MCHs. JP players seem to abandoning the class all together or excluding both BRDs and MCHs from their parties (though this last report states only one case of seeing this so far)

Here's the link if you'd like to give it a read. Most of the earlier stuff is about WHM, but a lot of the MCH stuff is towards the bottom with BRD stuff sprinkled throughout:
http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...ut_the_mchbrd/

[LittleArrow]

So, thanks SE for nerfing MCH without taking into account any of the complaints.

I don't know who to blame for this.. the ENG translation team here who seem to be ignoring us and not reporting the massive amount of complaints being given both here and on reddit, or SE for getting those complaints, apparently laughing in our faces, and proceeding to nerf our class as 'fix' that just makes the class even more frustrating to play...

Great job?

[Chek]

So, thanks SE for nerfing MCH without taking into account any of the complaints.

I don't know who to blame for this.. the ENG translation team here who seem to be ignoring us and not reporting the massive amount of complaints being given both here and on reddit, or SE for getting those complaints, apparently laughing in our faces, and proceeding to nerf our class as 'fix' that just makes the class even more frustrating to play...

Great job?

Excuse me for bumping in here since I have nothing invested in MCH (though I wish you guys luck cause its a cool looking class), but do we even have an ENG translation team that watches here? I never see any posts. I love this game but one of the crappy parts about playing a Japanese MMO is I feel like my voice pretty much has no sound at all.