Bowharp and the Death of RNG

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

Broken record here, but Bard doesn't replace your Archer. They are two separate things. The system doesn't dictate that you must become a Bard if you have ranked Archer to 50.

You are still an Archer. You just have the option to use Bard as a separate profession. Which is actually an upgrade in my opinion. You have the awesome DD capabilities with your Archer class and a support job. What other classes get that kind of treatment? You are basically being stretched into more desirable roles. I think Archer prereq for Bard is getting more bang for your character progression.

[Ferth]

Broken record here, but Bard doesn't replace your Archer. They are two separate things. The system doesn't dictate that you must become a Bard if you have ranked Archer to 50.

You are still an Archer. You just have the option to use Bard as a separate profession. Which is actually an upgrade in my opinion. You have the awesome DD capabilities with your Archer class and a support job. What other classes get that kind of treatment? You are basically being stretched into more desirable roles. I think Archer prereq for Bard is getting more bang for your character progression.

I can understand that Archer is not Bard is not Archer...

What annoys me though.. is that Bard should be leveled up as a bard... not as an archer who can then toss on an awkward bow and suddenly gets a slew of abilities that change their role completely.

In ffxi if you leveled up Paladin you didn't get Whitemage free.

If they want to allow archer to unlock access to bard... I'm not all that for it, but I'm not vehemently against it either... but atleast require some form of progression as the bard for it to become useful.

The jobs don't need to progress on the same scale as classes... but it shouldn't be that every level 50 archer is also now a level 50 bard if they want to be.

[Travesty]

I can understand that Archer is not Bard is not Archer...

What annoys me though.. is that Bard should be leveled up as a bard... not as an archer who can then toss on an awkward bow and suddenly gets a slew of abilities that change their role completely.

In ffxi if you leveled up Paladin you didn't get Whitemage free.

If they want to allow archer to unlock access to bard... I'm not all that for it, but I'm not vehemently against it either... but atleast require some form of progression as the bard for it to become useful.

The jobs don't need to progress on the same scale as classes... but it shouldn't be that every level 50 archer is also now a level 50 bard if they want to be.

This is a REALLY good point. And that's the inherent problem with combining 2 polar opposite jobs in the manner that they are.

[Anonymoose]

This is a REALLY good point. And that's the inherent problem with combining 2 polar opposite jobs in the manner that they are.

Aye, I agree as well. Though, if the abilities do come gradually through the quest system, I imagine it would be a very creative and satisfying storyline.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

I can understand that Archer is not Bard is not Archer...

What annoys me though.. is that Bard should be leveled up as a bard... not as an archer who can then toss on an awkward bow and suddenly gets a slew of abilities that change their role completely.

In ffxi if you leveled up Paladin you didn't get Whitemage free.

If they want to allow archer to unlock access to bard... I'm not all that for it, but I'm not vehemently against it either... but atleast require some form of progression as the bard for it to become useful.

The jobs don't need to progress on the same scale as classes... but it shouldn't be that every level 50 archer is also now a level 50 bard if they want to be.

Christ... here we go. Did you know that you rank them side by side? You don't rank Archer then suddenly get Bard at 50. It is explained so far that you do a quest to unlock the profession and more quests for the abilities starting at a lower rank. This is an ongoing option through your progression of Archer. You will have the ability to switch to Bard if the party calls for it, but you're still ranking Archery. Do you get it now? Bard, their version of it anyway, is a more specific subdivision of a bow user.

This is just the start of the job and class system. Who says that there will not be more subdivisions to Archery in the future?

[NoctisUmbra]

Christ... here we go. Did you know that you rank them side by side? You don't rank Archer then suddenly get Bard at 50. It is explained so far that you do a quest to unlock the profession and more quests for the abilities starting at a lower rank. This is an ongoing option through your progression of Archer. You will have the ability to switch to Bard if the party calls for it, but you're still ranking Archery. Do you get it now? Bard, their version of it anyway, is a more specific subdivision of a bow user.

This is just the start of the job and class system. Who says that there will not be more subdivisions to Archery in the future?

I understand and agree with what you're saying, but I think what Ferth meant is come the release of the Job system anyone who already has Archer capped will have a capped Bard once they unlock the job. No progression in the job unless you happen to be ranking Archer at the time of release.

An easy remedy would be unlocking more skills for a job through quests rather than solely through the class rank. I vaguely recall them saying that would be the case.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

An easy remedy would be unlocking more skills for a job through quests rather than solely through the class rank. I vaguely recall them saying that would be the case.

Yes, it was said that will be the case, which was in my post.