Bowharp and the Death of RNG

[Anonymoose]

In XIV an Archer who can Buff /Debuff and still do Ranged Damage is actually my Dream Job both for Parties and esp for Solo.

I agree that it seems like a very good job, though I imagine, (if the barcher is real) that a bit of DD power will be sacrificed to gain the ability to buff - however, the buffs will probably be worth the trade. Solo, you'd probably still go with Archer, though, if you had buffs from other jobs to put on the bar.

[Halvaard_Vidan]

I support Bard-archer, a DD that can do more than just DD.

I'm disappoint about the seemingly Dark knight-Lancer but that's another thread.

[Ferth]

Conceptually, the Bow with a harp tacked on to half of it, as witnessed in the illustration floating around is just extremely awkward. To play the harp portion you can't use the bow portion and to use the bow portion you can't use the harp portion. The need for such a device would never exist, at best someone who used a bow and could play a stringed instrument would just have both.

Blah blah fantasy, blah blah it's a game, whatever. It looks dumb. It just does. And it breaks my heart because I love Akihiko Yoshida's work, but this contraption just makes me shake my head.

As for the speculation of Archer becoming Bard I think it's pretty justified given that Bard is already on the list of jobs they've announced, and that they've announced they are currently working for one job for each class, it's possible they may throw us a curve ball but I really doubt it. I'd be more than happy if I was wrong. But my instinct is to be pessimistic given the sparse information we have.

I'd have much rather seen a new class in Minstrel or Musician or Harpist and then expanded into a Bard. Archer could become something that ties into the role of a ranged damage dealer better.

As I've said, the whole thing just seems really awkward. And I am willing to wait and see how it works, but it's going to have to be pretty damn awesome before it changes my mind on how dumb the bow/harp is.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

Archer doesn't become Bard. Archer says Archer and a Bard is an unlocked option when you have ranked archer. Who says you have to be a Bard at the ending levels? Archer will still be there and will still be a great ranged DD. You are actually getting a sweet deal with this job, because not only will you have an awesome DD, but you'll have a support job to switch to as well for parties if it calls for it.

[Volsung]

Archer doesn't become Bard. Archer says Archer and a Bard is an unlocked option when you have ranked archer. Who says you have to be a Bard at the ending levels? Archer will still be there and will still be a great ranged DD. You are actually getting a sweet deal with this job, because not only will you have an awesome DD, but you'll have a support job to switch to as well for parties if it calls for it.

^^^^^^^^^^^^ this

(and I sometimes don't agree with you lul)

[Ashgarth]

So many people loved Corsair in XI and he was basically an Archer/Bard who used guns instead of bows.
Why the hate for XIV's bard?
Also these jobs are only the first ones. Yoshi-p already said numerous times that there will be more than one job for each class so dont worry, you will eventually have your DD archer.

The focus on all these battle changes and job implementation is balancing the combat system. Making the archer into a DD class would make no sense.

We have Dragoon, Monk and whatever the marauder becomes to be physical DD.
We have the Black mage to take care of the main ranged damge.
We have the White mage to heal and keep the party alive.
All there is left is a class who can support the party/annoy the enemy and the archer is perfect for it because of it's position. Having a clear view of all the party members and enemys makes targeting easy wich means a bard will be able to use songs when needed and damage the rest of the time.

With time there will surely be other support classes (maybe arcanist) and SE will give Archers a DD job because others will be able to fill that support role in the party.

[Volsung]

Another thing, that may simply be an AF weapon, like those all could be. And serve no actual purpose. Though you may need a real one in off hand, who knows.

[Halvaard_Vidan]

So many people loved Corsair in XI and he was basically an Archer/Bard who used guns instead of bows.
Why the hate for XIV's bard?
Also these jobs are only the first ones. Yoshi-p already said numerous times that there will be more than one job for each class so dont worry, you will eventually have your DD archer.

The focus on all these battle changes and job implementation is balancing the combat system. Making the archer into a DD class would make no sense.

We have Dragoon, Monk and whatever the marauder becomes to be physical DD.
We have the Black mage to take care of the main ranged damge.
We have the White mage to heal and keep the party alive.
All there is left is a class who can support the party/annoy the enemy and the archer is perfect for it because of it's position. Having a clear view of all the party members and enemys makes targeting easy wich means a bard will be able to use songs when needed and damage the rest of the time.

With time there will surely be other support classes (maybe arcanist) and SE will give Archers a DD job because others will be able to fill that support role in the party.

Where is the "Love" button for this post?

[User201109011315]

So many people loved Corsair in XI and he was basically an Archer/Bard who used guns instead of bows.
Why the hate for XIV's bard?
Also these jobs are only the first ones. Yoshi-p already said numerous times that there will be more than one job for each class so dont worry, you will eventually have your DD archer.

The focus on all these battle changes and job implementation is balancing the combat system. Making the archer into a DD class would make no sense.

We have Dragoon, Monk and whatever the marauder becomes to be physical DD.
We have the Black mage to take care of the main ranged damge.
We have the White mage to heal and keep the party alive.
All there is left is a class who can support the party/annoy the enemy and the archer is perfect for it because of it's position. Having a clear view of all the party members and enemys makes targeting easy wich means a bard will be able to use songs when needed and damage the rest of the time.

With time there will surely be other support classes (maybe arcanist) and SE will give Archers a DD job because others will be able to fill that support role in the party.

Mainly because, in principle, Archer and Bard share no similar function and therefore makes little sense in terms of progression and also because a bard as a job with a new weapon flies in the face of the armory system where weapon specialists are termed classes and not jobs, and also because bard is so "out-there" compared to the root class of archer, and yet WHM and BLM share a common theme with both THM and CON and yet a CON cannot become both a WHM and a BLM.

So it's just ridiculous.

Archer can become some crazy, far fetched, irrelevent class-cum-job which has nothing to do with the preceding class and yet no other class can even progress to a job which closely resembles its original function, i.e., CON will not be able to become BLM, and Gladiator will not be able to become Dark Knight/Berserker/Warrior.

It's crazed.

Crazed I tell you!

And why isn't Bard a class instead of a job if it has a whole new weapon AND ability-set created for it?

It's all screwed up.

[AmyRae]

I think the fact that they had to add an ENTIRE NEW WEAPON just to justify the job is proof that it didn't belong.

It's such a worthless elaboration onto Archer class and at the expense of having NO BARD CLASS IN THE FUTURE.

Why can't people see that?

Well, in FFXI you had the Corsair job which mixed ranged attacks and party support. It worked well enough other than the egregious cost of ammo.

It's not really new ground at all, when you really think about it.

But here's the thing: if Corsairs existed in FFXI without there ever having been Rangers, Bards, anything remotely like them, they'd be the top job in that game. And here we have FFXIV with no other range or support jobs. I have to tell you, all this whining is going to seem silly when the power of this job is fully realized.