Bowharp and the Death of RNG

[Mortikhan]

Let me get this straight...

Going by FFXI BRD standard:

Bards could boost virtually any stat. Boost attack/damage output. Boost accuracy. AOE most of those boosts to affect other party members. They had their own Sleep. Haste.

I am not sure what the complaint is here. I mean if you guys don't want all of that on top of the already ridiculous damage you do then feel free to protest further...I am sure one of the other classes will gladly take those abilities.

I do not recall them giving a hint about how much they were going to adjust the mage classes like they did in 1.18 but that seemed to work out ok. Maybe we should wait and see how they do this if they do it at all. Who knows maybe it was just a really bad art rendering of something else and it's not even a harp at all.

[User201109011315]

Weren't BRD's in FF11 upset over not being able to do any dmg? So why are they upset in FF14 about being able to shoot a bow? Impossible to statisfy much... Also this is a perfect path for ARC cuase RNG would be totally redundant.

Adding bard as a job for archer is a convolution of systems and definitions.

By definition, bard should be a class that uses musical instruments. In other words, it shouldn't be a job tacked onto archer. After all, in FFXIV, each class relates to a discipline of weaponry. So if a bard can shoot a bow, then he is an archer, and therefore he is not a bard.

The harp-bow just goes to show how an archer cannot be a bard. They had to invent a whole new "class" of weaponry just to make it happen, and that's because bard should have been a class unto itself.

The remedy for this whole debacle of course would be for SE to just not lock jobs to specific classes, and then you could negate the whole issue of what job becomes what class, since the problem simply wouldn't exist.

Bard could then be freed up to be implemented in the future as a separate class with an appropriate non-hybrid bow-instrument tool.

[Anonymoose]

I can tell you that it is in fact a bow that transforms.

Where's Mog? MOG! .... MOOOOOOOG. You never answered my question:

If speculation that turns out to be wrong makes people look like idiots, does the pendulum swing back the other way if my speculation is right and make me look like a prophetic genius? Or can we just agree that speculation is a good way to welcome fresh content, form our opinions, and wait out official word?

[Endemerrin]

I, for one, welcome our new Bowharp overlords.

[User201109011315]

I think a bow-wielding Bard sounds like an interesting twist for the job.

But it isn't a bard, it's an archer.


What they should have done is create jobs as a layer ABOVE classes, allowing any job to use any weapon. This would allows players to switch between multiple weapons (classes) during battle. If they added bard as a class, you could switch between both bow (archer) and harp (bard) during battle, without the need for a crazy harpbow hybrid to make it possible.

Seems like an oversight or step in the wrong direction.

[Ashaylin]

I don't see SE creating a class ("job" here) as being a problem.

They created the red mage, the blue mage, the arithmetician, and many other classes, a lot of them being hybrids. It has to start somewhere. It's too restrictive to say "You can't do that." The innovations stop there.

I'm very interested in how a bardic archer will apply in game.

[User201109011315]

I mean, really. Stop and think about what they are doing before you praise it and say im stupid. Now a warrior can only use one weapon, a black mage can only use one weapon, a dragoon can only use one weapon, a thief can only use one weapon.

If that doesn't seem like a problem to you yet, think. In FFXI, every job could use multiple weapons. Every other MMO has jobs using multiple weapons.

When SE said they are locking jobs to classes, they are basically saying that jobs will be locked to one weapon.

IT IS RETARDED.

I don't know why you guys can't see that their attempt to shove a job system where it doesn't belong simply won't work. And this is most true for bard where they had to add a whole new weapon to justify shoving the job in there.

Players should be able to pick a job, and then pick a class as a separate thing. The class you are should not dictate your job. The job you are should dictate your job, and let you swap classes/weapons freely thereafter.

The whole thing is quite frankly f**ked to high heaven just because the players cried so hard to have FF jobs, forcing SE to make a snap/rash decision to implement them without even considering the repurcussions.

[Anonymoose]

In FFXI, every job could use multiple weapons. Every other MMO has jobs using multiple weapons.

To be fair, in FFXI and every other MMO you played AS your job PERFORMING with a weapon, in FFXIV you play AS your weapon class and PERFORM a job. I'm not necessarily praising it quite yet, but that's just how it is. I'm sure there will still be a high degree of customization depending on which weapon classes you've leveled up. It might be unconventional, but I don't see why that means it has to lack potential.

It might make me an outcast but [ducks behind wall and shouts from behind it] I'm rather looking forward to trying it out. If it's not good, I'm sure demands for variance will be hammered into the forums in a universal torrent of fan-base nerdrage.

[AmyRae]

Weren't BRD's in FF11 upset over not being able to do any dmg? So why are they upset in FF14 about being able to shoot a bow? Impossible to statisfy much... Also this is a perfect path for ARC cuase RNG would be totally redundant.

The most in-demand class in the game is being made into the most in-demand job in the game... and they're crying about it.

I'll never understand Final Fantasy players. -_-;

[Anonymoose]

It could still transform into a crossbow, I guess. Idk.

I'm too caught up imagining the character animations for if the Barcher would whip his hand up, collapse the bow, and play a quick tune, sending colors and lights flying in a buff, and then whipping it back open into bow-form like an XIII weapon and getting back to business on the DD. All one handed, aside from the strumming.

Sounds badass as hell.