I just got flamed extremely hard when trying to level my MCH

[HeavensSword]

Its true that the MCH dps seems a little week, was doing library the other day and it was painfully slow (took like 30 min to get to second boss), then the MCH hit level 60 and dropped group and we got a DRG and breezed passed the rest of the dungeon, killing trash twice as fast.

The other thing really drives me crazy is how liberal they are with their knock back, and for some reason, 99% of the time they will knock back the range mob...

This made me think of something. If a MCH would actually use Blank to knock a ranged mob into the melee group, I would love you on my tank. Sometimes ranged mobs just don't want to cooperate even when I LoS them.

[La_Bluegirl]

This made me think of something. If a MCH would actually use Blank to knock a ranged mob into the melee group, I would love you on my tank. Sometimes ranged mobs just don't want to cooperate even when I LoS them.

Maybe it's just because I've messed with fluid aura a bunch, but this is exactly the stuff that should just be basic knowledge with the class now. It's literally a 100% copy of fluid aura. I guess MCH is just gonna end up being the new scapegoat because of all the..less than stellar players

[HairyRoger]

Its true that the MCH dps seems a little week, was doing library the other day and it was painfully slow (took like 30 min to get to second boss), then the MCH hit level 60 and dropped group and we got a DRG and breezed passed the rest of the dungeon, killing trash twice as fast.

The machinist you had was doing something terribly wrong. Aoe damage is the one thing we do have and clearing trash is not an issue at all.

I have yet to receive any hate for being a MCH. The people you encountered sounds like ignorant twats.

[MrSmiley]

pre-50 I had no issues with mch dps, it just kinda...stopped scaling after that, then gauss fail, then rngesus...

We are weak at 50 and I hope we see a fix sooner than later.

[Buff_Archer]

While I only have Machinist at like 41 because I'm splitting my time between a lot of various things vs. focusing 100% on leveling this one, so far I've gotten lots of comms for a DPS (at least 2 per instance when sadly I only have 1 to give) and no grief from anyone. The way I use Blank Shot certainly can't be hurting things, I pretty much save that for when aggro escapes the tank and goes for the healer... knock it away from the healer, and bind or heavy it, which gives the tank a chance to grab it back again. That situation will eventually happen less of course as people get more experienced playing DRK. I've done a couple of accidental knockbacks and an 'Oops sorry' was enough for the rest of the party to know that's knocking enemies away from the tank isn't a regular part of my play style.

Hearing about the apparent DPS problems Machinist has later on though is probably the main reason I slacked off on leveling this one, which is too bad because I've enjoyed it so far. Then again, I enjoyed bard too but at lvl 53 I decided to swap to SMN/SCH levelling instead because I wanted new job skills that were fun to use, and so I already know what's in store with Gauss.

[Mhyr]

Yesterday i was doing Bismark has a bard, we couldnt pass the two snake pop, i was told "WTF Bard low DPS", i was parsing and was by far first dps (not using WM, but that is another story). Dont worry even if you have a poor dps there will always be people under you, thinking they are better

[Whiteroom]

Calling BS. This didn't happen. For starters, you aren't alerted to the fact that someone's trying to kick you - not until you've actually been kicked. Second, you say 'they' groaned nonstop. That means plural. That means at least two party members had an issue with you. If they had tried to kick you, it would have passed and you would have been given le bewt. It only takes two peoples' vote to get the the kick to pass in a 4-man. Even if the healer tried to save you, the vote still would have passed.

I'm not saying something like this couldn't happen. I'm saying that, in this instance, it did not.

And personally, I haven't had any issues with anyone while on my mch. Everyone's been nothing but friendly towards my mch.

I would say you are right here. He does get overly dramatic in his threads.

[Ramath]

Honestly, from 30 to 47 (level I am now) MCH puts out pretty damn good dps. The only people that have done more so far are just level sync'ed dps, in all of my dungeons. The opening burst is really sick, the aoe dps is great, and the sustained dps isn't anywhere near as bad as the rumors are making it seem. I'd say from low level to 50 they are probably one of the strongest dps, honestly. It has to just be their 50+ skills don't scale as nicely as the other stuff classes get so they "fall off" It's just lack of knowledge all around so far. Hopefully their stigma goes away after a little bit.

I'd like to see your numbers, and not just take your 'gut feeling' for it. The actual math, so far, is proving to be quite the opposite.

[Cooperal]

If they're so sure that they don't have the competence to make a run go smoothly based on the presence of any one job, don't be too hard on them. You should look on them with pity.

It may be that these few are unwilling to learn to play at a reasonable capacity, but when they realise and come around, it's going to be a painful, self-eating experience knowing how far just a little thought-investment could have went. Nobody wants to be in the position they're in.

It may suck that you're sometimes the victim of someone vastly inferior to yourself. The majority of us have to deal with it from time to time. But those very people are the ones facing the real misfortune. Sympathise for those with worse cognitive capabilities.

[La_Bluegirl]

I'd like to see your numbers, and not just take your 'gut feeling' for it. The actual math, so far, is proving to be quite the opposite.

I didn't take any sort of screen shots during my leveling. To me it seems like everyone else is saying they do low dps because of 'gut feeling'. I know your typical pug dps is nothing to write home about, but I ran every dungeon on the way to 50 atleast 3 times (can only do so much before it gets boring for that level) and every single time the other MCH was horribly behind, or the other dps that I would get paired with was just behind a little my numbers. The only time someone would parse higher would be a highly level sync bard, or something. My only recent one since I can remember was last night in AV because I had a lvl 60 synced monk with some i180 weapon. On coin counter and the last boss I was maybe 25 dps behind, at lvl 49. Seems completely fine to me ALL the way to 50. ACT doesn't even pick up wildfire yet anyway, so thats a huge burst in the opening it isn't even taking account for, when their opening burst is already really high.


Edit: Quick 4 min dummy parse since I hit 50. Gear is just i86 with some random i115 whites I grabbed, but still stupid crap like lvl 28 necklace or lvl 37 wrist, with coliseum gear. Over 4 minutes it was 290 with no food, or party buff. Again, ACT doesn't pickup Wildfire yet so thats 2 uses that isn't even accounted for. If I was just straight i90 it seems like it'd be completely in line for a "support dps" Sure a monk or ninja will do a bit more at i90 but there is no way that is shit, its plenty for anything requiring i90. The problem is clearly post 50, I guess the newer toys don't compare as nicely as everyone else's new toys.