Healing DRK tanks sucks.

[Nadirah]

Just throwing this out there.

I've healed in MMOs for 10 years. 10. Years. I generally don't have issues with keeping tanks alive.

But holy Hate.. wtf? This reminds me of the Wrath of the Lich King release when all the Death Knights came about, thinking they could tank, and sucked at it.

Most of them can hold aggro decently, but holy mother of Hate I end up spamming Benefic II the entire time praying to God they don't drop like a rock.

I'd like to think that it's not just the class, but unless a whole lot of incompetents picked this class, something has to be up.

Not just me healing either. Ran a bunch as BRD last night. Same thing. Every tank I got was DRK, and they were near dead most of the time.

*sigh*

I've been running for *hours* today.


Only non DRK tank I got today was a paladin that refused to use Shield Oath, had a full MP bar the entire time, and kvetched at the DPS for pulling aggro. Healing him wasn't a problem, healing the other two dps however got me heal aggro something fierce because he wasn't doing *anything* for aoe threat.

I actually look at my tanks when there's issues. Gear, what classes they have at 50. If they have another tank class at 50 my assumption is that they have a general principle on how to gain and hold threat.

This might be a mechanics issue, which is why I'm asking. Death Knights in WoW are parry tanks, and their mitigation toolset involves self heals and absorbs. They're either incredibly squishy or stupid easy to heal. Folks that know how to rotate CDs on a complex class(well, was complex til Draenor) are a godsend, but the higher skill cap makes it so that others aren't so much.

My other healer past 40 is SCH, and I've never once had to leave a dungeon because I just can't handle that incoming damage. Heal size/potency doesn't seem to be a problem... it's that they're taking damage faster than I can recover it.

I didn't have this problem at all until I got into Cutter's Cry and Stone Vigil. Feels like my tanks are made out of toilet paper.

Edit because post limit hit making it a pain to continue a discussion I freaking started.

[Hundred]

While I am not playing Dark Knight.
I have found astrologian heals underwhelming in Heavensward, given after multiple runs of dungeons and trials, pretty much the only 2 failures have been astrologian heal output. Does that class really heal as potently as the WHM or scholar?

Granted even still it's not a particularly big deal given these issues were player made more then class.
There are multiple people playing dark knight right now, I'll presume this is partially coincidence.

[h0tNstilettos]

While I am not playing Dark Knight.
I have found astrologian heals underwhelming in Heavensward, given after multiple runs of dungeons and trials, pretty much the only 2 failures have been astrologian heal output. Does that class really heal as potently as the WHM or scholar?

Granted even still it's not a particularly big deal given these issues were player made more then class.
There are multiple people playing dark knight right now, I'll presume this is partially coincidence.

When I was closer to level 30 the healing potency of AST seemed much lower than when I was there with WHM. But after getting beyond level 40 and finally to 50 the heals seem really strong, especially the emergency burst heal.

[AzraelX]

When I was closer to level 30 the healing potency of AST seemed much lower than when I was there with WHM. But after getting beyond level 40 and finally to 50 the heals seem really strong, especially the emergency burst heal.

Haven't tried it yet but could that be due to around level 40 AST gets nocturnal sect that increases healing pot

[SovereignAegis]

While I am not playing Dark Knight.
I have found astrologian heals underwhelming in Heavensward, given after multiple runs of dungeons and trials, pretty much the only 2 failures have been astrologian heal output. Does that class really heal as potently as the WHM or scholar?

Granted even still it's not a particularly big deal given these issues were player made more then class.
There are multiple people playing dark knight right now, I'll presume this is partially coincidence.

I am going to level ast after I get scholar to 60.

However it's heals seem stronger than SCH but it doesn't have the offset capacity a scholar has. So it is a better healer but doesn't have the debuffs.

[LycorisSelunis]

I am going to level ast after I get scholar to 60.

However it's heals seem stronger than SCH but it doesn't have the offset capacity a scholar has. So it is a better healer but doesn't have the debuffs.

Their heals are baseline less potent. using whm comparisons since I don't have nocturnal sect yet.

cure 400 benefic 380 medica2 200/100 regen aspected helios 140/50 regen

cure2 650 benefic2 620 medica 300 helios 290 whispering dawn o intital/100 regen

so compared to sch, physick is same as cure. the sch spells with shields are slightly weaker than whm versions but shields are considered better than raw healing generally. I will hopefully have nocturnal sect tomorrow (had to log at 49, its killing me).

emergency heal is good though. baseline 400 potency (so same as a normal cure which sounds small) but instant, no mana, and increases potency the more heath the target is missing.

Another thing I would like to note is I don't have any aoe dmg yet. looks like the first aoe is at 52 in Gravity. by now whm has holy, and sch had bane ages ago, plus miasma2 and gets shadowflare at 50. Really noticeable in DD.

[SovereignAegis]

snippity snip.

Ahhh, yes I see and agree. A lot of that seems to be regen oriented... I don't know if I love or hate that.

Perhaps in combination with a WHM or Scholar that could be quite effective, probably scholar because of the shields.

I am going to level AST after scholar, I want to see it more for myself before making any final judgements. Number wise AST don't seem too far off WHM.

[Seryl199]

Their heals are baseline less potent. using whm comparisons since I don't have nocturnal sect yet.

cure 400 benefic 380 medica2 200/100 regen aspected helios 140/50 regen

cure2 650 benefic2 620 medica 300 helios 290 whispering dawn o intital/100 regen

so compared to sch, physick is same as cure. the sch spells with shields are slightly weaker than whm versions but shields are considered better than raw healing generally. I will hopefully have nocturnal sect tomorrow (had to log at 49, its killing me).

emergency heal is good though. baseline 400 potency (so same as a normal cure which sounds small) but instant, no mana, and increases potency the more heath the target is missing.

Another thing I would like to note is I don't have any aoe dmg yet. looks like the first aoe is at 52 in Gravity. by now whm has holy, and sch had bane ages ago, plus miasma2 and gets shadowflare at 50. Really noticeable in DD.

Diurnal stance gives AST increased cast speed, while Nocturnal stance gives them 5% healing buff, effectively closing the potency gap. I haven't had much time at 50 but I've yet to have issues with healing throughput, and only resort to Benefic II spam when the tank overpulls.

Most DRK I've run into have been competent, with one exception of an overeager low level tank that AoE pulled in Brayflox without CD's.

[HolyKelistae]

Most DRK I've run into have been competent, with one exception of an overeager low level tank that AoE pulled in Brayflox without CD's.

But that's with a good handful of tanks, Warrior and Paladin included. Not just Dark Knight.

[HolyKelistae]

Really? I've run with plenty of DrKs ever since I started on my Astro at level 30 and, honestly, they're some of the easier tanks Ive healed in a long time.

o.o