MCH completely useless

[SovereignAegis]

i don't really get the whole debate over MCH's damage. when i look at parses ppl posted (providing used "illegal" tools are working correctly) it's equal to BRD's. Are BRDs crying as well over their damage atm?

From a utility point MCH seems to bring more to the raid than BRD.

Actually Bards are screaming at the top of their lungs right now, somehow they are even more vocal than MCH.

[Shhikasan]

well you have to think there are more brds then mch since you know they could of been rolling a brd since the game's relaunch.
for me it kinda of hit me hard because I played brd a lot from 2.1 up till nin and then with HW I leveled Mch and planned on maining it.
and boy am i salty as leveling another dps would be very grindy to play to 60.

BUT I'm willing to stick it out seeing as I've been seeing somewhat that mch in good rng without its gauss can do some nice dps compared to a non WM brd(cause face it brd and mch aren't made to be casters at all unless we start using mp and allowed to us tp to sprint movement is pretty a pain and in real fights leaving wm/Gauss is better only in real fights with ton of movements which is gonna be all of them).

Personally if they wanted to changed something make gauss and WM just a pure dmg buff give us our auto attacks back and no cast times. I'd be just happy with just behind melee dps not Behind tank dps and White mage spamming stone 3.

[SovereignAegis]

Behind tank dps and White mage spamming stone 3.

I actually outdamage the vast majority of MCH in neverreap as a scholar... spamming a 170 potency broil. 170 potency. It's asinine.

White Mages stone is what. 210 potency?

[SaiahLynn]

WHM will out DPS a MCH spamming Stone 3.

Im not kidding.

And no.. I don't think 5% debuff is noticeable in the slightest.. for 10 seconds. Other classes have sustainable debuffs they can keep up on raid bosses that are SUBSTANTIALLY better than a 5% physical OR magical for 10 seconds on a 90s cooldown.

and you're calling us debuffers? Thats pathetic.

[SovereignAegis]

WHM will out DPS a MCH spamming Stone 3.

Im not kidding.

And no.. I don't think 5% debuff is noticeable in the slightest.. for 10 seconds. Other classes have sustainable debuffs they can keep up on raid bosses that are SUBSTANTIALLY better than a 5% physical OR magical for 10 seconds on a 90s cooldown.

and you're calling us debuffers? Thats pathetic.

I agree extremely strongly with this statement.

Most classes have extremely constant buffs (or near constant, opposed to truly "constant"), it is absolutely appauling that a class supposedly dedicated to crowd control and debuffing with TWO PREMIUM HIGH LEVEL SKILLS... has such weak and non-lasting effects.

Like for the duration and cooldown and specificity I'd have imagined it be 20%, but being absolutely reasonable I'd say 15%.

And they share cooldown timers is the bigger kick to the face.

[Underdog2204]

Topic like these make me sad.

Was really looking forward to playing machinist, it seems having to level to 50 to unlock it and then level again from 30 for a sub par job seems really depressing...

I can see what people are talking about just by looking at skills from other jobs/classes, SMN has Virus, Eye for an Eye and a battle raise which by themselves seem to far outclass any debuff the MCH can offer.

I can see what people mean by scoffing at the notion MCH is a debuffer/utility class comparing it to the utility other jobs get whilst also having seemingly much better damage dealing capability.

MCH also seems to be (arguably) the most dangerous job to be playing atm too as they have zero self sustain. Never really agreed with the fact melee classes have it more dangerous than ranged anyway, there are mechanics specifically desigined to target both playstyles.

Trying to find any reason to actually play this job makes my brain hurt... Outside of their gear looking pretty cool...

[Slirith]

If I could go back into time and not play MCH, I woul but sticking with it to 60 for armory bonus for 2nd 60 /sigh

[SovereignAegis]

If I could go back into time and not play MCH, I woul but sticking with it to 60 for armory bonus for 2nd 60 /sigh

What is this armory bonus?

Edit: Nevermind, didn't realize it was THAT!

[Starkbeaumont]

Actually Bards are screaming at the top of their lungs right now, somehow they are even more vocal than MCH.

as Taban said, i thought Brds were sad over how "useless" WM is, not the overall dmg, especially with the current encounters. but good to know both camps are not satisfied by their dmg output

[Ephier]

as Taban said, i thought Brds were sad over how "useless" WM is, not the overall dmg, especially with the current encounters. but good to know both camps are not satisfied by their dmg output

Most BRD's are indeed complaining about their play style change, but they do have a deficiency in damage as well. They are still 50~80 dps higher than MCN, but that does not mean that their numbers are not low either. Also they do not have a way to instantly put up their wanderers minuet like we can do with rapid fire and gauss barrel.