Artifact Armors!

[northernsky]

So because you are capable of pulling with both RNG and BRD in XI, that makes the jobs similar?

Sorry but no. The reason it's such a stretch is because Archer and Bard are completely opposite ends of the spectrum. Everything else regardig the jobs makes sense. LNC to DRG. PGL to MNK. Etc. Archer to Bard makes zero sense. It's wielding 2 completely different things that are wildly unrelated, which is part of the reason that weapon looks so ridiculous. It's also mixing 2 roles that a lot of players are going to dislike having mixed. If their goal is to be a support class, aka Bard, 99% of players are going to be uninterested at best in playing Archer.

And beyond all that... it's just a dumb and lazy idea, dude. They're obviously trying to squeeze a job into a class where it doesn't belong because the Armoury system is so rigid.

Plus, what other weapons are we going to see for a "barcher?" A bowcarina? A pianbow? A blute? Or is it only gonna be harp-bows?

It's just silly.

But no one complained about XI's Corsair's abilities to buff and deal massive damage. because it was well implemented.

And people have been asking for gunblades, gunwhatever for a year now, how is it less silly? Again, it will depend on how it is implemented.

All we saw was concept art of one weapon, we are not even sure what that exactly is.

[Eekiki]

But no one complained about XI's Corsair's abilities to buff and deal massive damage. because it was well implemented.

And people have been asking for gunblades, gunwhatever for a year now, how is it less silly? Again, it will depend on how it is implemented.

All we saw was concept art of one weapon, we are not even sure what that exactly is.

Corsairs did massive damage?

[Physic]

but thats the thing, class will not be better then Jobs in group situations (Keep in mind it will be class+job not removal of the class in place of the job). Take Lancer for example I fully expect to gain more DPS and more TP management from Dragoon but loose out on the ability to cast cure or sacrifice. Well if White mage is around I fully expect to not have to use cure/sacrifice and welcome more dps/tp management.

Also this allows FF to retain the Armory system (versatility) while also offering the job system (Specialized role)

if drg are not noticeably more dps, than a fully specced dps lancer, then there is no point to jobs, the point is, its most liklely not a specialisation, It is an improvement. You can already specialize your lance and give them more dps by not EQing cure. take away your points in mind, give them to dex or str, unequip cure and add blinside, or raging, or ferocity or bloodbath, or still precision or hawkeye or cadence or keen flurry or comrade, etc. This already exists to make your dps better and sacrifice versatility. So now, drg has to do more dmg than a fully dpsed up lancer, which means its not simply a specialisation, which already exists, but an upgrade.

so yeah are you going to use the upgraded job, or are you going to use the gimp job. Now they could not make jobs an upgrade and make a fully dpsed up lancer = to a drg, but then it wouldnt be better in parties.

Point is, they are for most intents and purposes going to replace the classes.

[Volsung]

if drg are not noticeably more dps, than a fully specced dps lancer, then there is no point to jobs, the point is, its most liklely not a specialisation, It is an improvement. You can already specialize your lance and give them more dps by not EQing cure. take away your points in mind, give them to dex or str, unequip cure and add blinside, or raging, or ferocity or bloodbath, or still precision or hawkeye or cadence or keen flurry or comrade, etc. This already exists to make your dps better and sacrifice versatility. So now, drg has to do more dmg than a fully dpsed up lancer, which means its not simply a specialisation, which already exists, but an upgrade.

so yeah are you going to use the upgraded job, or are you going to use the gimp job. Now they could not make jobs an upgrade and make a fully dpsed up lancer = to a drg, but then it wouldnt be better in parties.

Point is, they are for most intents and purposes going to replace the classes.

I see your point that they could be better, but where we are in the game right now, during a raid everyone equips raise and cure. (because it can be extremely useful) When using jobs, we assume you wont be able to.

[Physic]

But no one complained about XI's Corsair's abilities to buff and deal massive damage. because it was well implemented.

And people have been asking for gunblades, gunwhatever for a year now, how is it less silly? Again, it will depend on how it is implemented.

All we saw was concept art of one weapon, we are not even sure what that exactly is.

this would be fine if bard was its own job, like corsair is, but i think people would have felt different about corsair, if ranger became corsair after 70.
lets say after 70 your ranger became corsair, they give you the option to cap your ranger at 70 and be a ranger, or cap it at 75 and be a corsair, with full access to merits. Also lets assume bard/smn (other buffing classes) ceased to exist. I think then youd find that most rangers would be pissed, and most people who want to be buffers would be like why dont i get my own job. and a bunch of people would be like this job system doesnt make too much sense, what does ranger have to do with corsaire.

[Physic]

I see your point that they could be better, but where we are in the game right now, during a raid everyone equips raise and cure. (because it can be extremely useful) When using jobs, we assume you wont be able to.

I think this has more to do with a either a lack of trust, or weaknesses of con at handling healing role alone, which will be less likely when whm is around.

[Zenaku]

I think this has more to do with a either a lack of trust, or weaknesses of con at handling healing role alone, which will be less likely when whm is around.

It's lack of trust not a lot of Conj can really heal good due to the range and them not doing how to do there job and running out of MP in a very short time. and also weaknesses of of the class itself.

[PrettyPrincess]

It is surprising how hard healing is for some.

[Jennestia]

Corsairs did massive damage?

Yep if they played it as more than a BRD with a gun. Wildfire alone puts it in top tier damage unless you were fighting mobs that laughed at magical damage.

Hell, even Quick Draws dealt a fair amount of damage buffed, especially with Empyrean Armor+2.

[Rubicon]

Yes we directly jump from LV50 to LV100 so we Black Mages get Convert and Refresh D:!

NOOOO Red Mages onry!