Artifact Armors!

[Krausus]

Ya i agree with you but it's does not change much then what the point? why do all the work of making jobs? when just renaming the class and giving them AF would have been less work?

in ffxi you learn in partying but iguess things have change lol i just don't see people doing jobs if class are better in dungeon not if they lock you out of class and only can enter in as a job then that would make more sense or maybe that what they thinking of doing.

but thats the thing, class will not be better then Jobs in group situations (Keep in mind it will be class+job not removal of the class in place of the job). Take Lancer for example I fully expect to gain more DPS and more TP management from Dragoon but loose out on the ability to cast cure or sacrifice. Well if White mage is around I fully expect to not have to use cure/sacrifice and welcome more dps/tp management.

Also this allows FF to retain the Armory system (versatility) while also offering the job system (Specialized role)

[Physic]

but thats the thing, class will not be better then Jobs in group situations (Keep in mind it will be class+job not removal of the class in place of the job). Take Lancer for example I fully expect to gain more DPS and more TP management from Dragoon but loose out on the ability to cast cure or sacrifice. Well if White mage is around I fully expect to not have to use cure/sacrifice and welcome more dps/tp management.

Also this allows FF to retain the Armory system (versatility) while also offering the job system (Specialized role)

if drg are not noticeably more dps, than a fully specced dps lancer, then there is no point to jobs, the point is, its most liklely not a specialisation, It is an improvement. You can already specialize your lance and give them more dps by not EQing cure. take away your points in mind, give them to dex or str, unequip cure and add blinside, or raging, or ferocity or bloodbath, or still precision or hawkeye or cadence or keen flurry or comrade, etc. This already exists to make your dps better and sacrifice versatility. So now, drg has to do more dmg than a fully dpsed up lancer, which means its not simply a specialisation, which already exists, but an upgrade.

so yeah are you going to use the upgraded job, or are you going to use the gimp job. Now they could not make jobs an upgrade and make a fully dpsed up lancer = to a drg, but then it wouldnt be better in parties.

Point is, they are for most intents and purposes going to replace the classes.

[Volsung]

if drg are not noticeably more dps, than a fully specced dps lancer, then there is no point to jobs, the point is, its most liklely not a specialisation, It is an improvement. You can already specialize your lance and give them more dps by not EQing cure. take away your points in mind, give them to dex or str, unequip cure and add blinside, or raging, or ferocity or bloodbath, or still precision or hawkeye or cadence or keen flurry or comrade, etc. This already exists to make your dps better and sacrifice versatility. So now, drg has to do more dmg than a fully dpsed up lancer, which means its not simply a specialisation, which already exists, but an upgrade.

so yeah are you going to use the upgraded job, or are you going to use the gimp job. Now they could not make jobs an upgrade and make a fully dpsed up lancer = to a drg, but then it wouldnt be better in parties.

Point is, they are for most intents and purposes going to replace the classes.

I see your point that they could be better, but where we are in the game right now, during a raid everyone equips raise and cure. (because it can be extremely useful) When using jobs, we assume you wont be able to.

[Physic]

I see your point that they could be better, but where we are in the game right now, during a raid everyone equips raise and cure. (because it can be extremely useful) When using jobs, we assume you wont be able to.

I think this has more to do with a either a lack of trust, or weaknesses of con at handling healing role alone, which will be less likely when whm is around.

[Zenaku]

I think this has more to do with a either a lack of trust, or weaknesses of con at handling healing role alone, which will be less likely when whm is around.

It's lack of trust not a lot of Conj can really heal good due to the range and them not doing how to do there job and running out of MP in a very short time. and also weaknesses of of the class itself.