Artifact Armors!

[Travesty]

I have thought for a while that the way they might implement advanced jobs within the current weapon locked armory system is to allow you to dual wield. The combination of weapons would result in a transformation of a GLD to a Paladin, for example. It looks like the Paladin weapon is also a two part weapon - a smaller sword melded together with a larger blade, forming the huge weapon he is holding. It could also just be his sword is overlapping a very thin and pointy shield though. We'll have to wait and see.

Uh... that's definitely a shield lol.

On another note - I don't understand why it would be so horrible for ARC to be tied to Bard. After all in FFXI, Bards were one of the most sought after pulling jobs. Like to pull with arrows and deal damage? You went with Ranger. Like to pull with songs and provide party support? You played Bard. Why is this considered such a stretch here?

So because you are capable of pulling with both RNG and BRD in XI, that makes the jobs similar?

Sorry but no. The reason it's such a stretch is because Archer and Bard are completely opposite ends of the spectrum. Everything else regardig the jobs makes sense. LNC to DRG. PGL to MNK. Etc. Archer to Bard makes zero sense. It's wielding 2 completely different things that are wildly unrelated, which is part of the reason that weapon looks so ridiculous. It's also mixing 2 roles that a lot of players are going to dislike having mixed. If their goal is to be a support class, aka Bard, 99% of players are going to be uninterested at best in playing Archer.

And beyond all that... it's just a dumb and lazy idea, dude. They're obviously trying to squeeze a job into a class where it doesn't belong because the Armoury system is so rigid.

Plus, what other weapons are we going to see for a "barcher?" A bowcarina? A pianbow? A blute? Or is it only gonna be harp-bows?

It's just silly.

[Deminia]

Uh... that's definitely a shield lol.



So because you are capable of pulling with both RNG and BRD in XI, that makes the jobs similar?

Sorry but no. The reason it's such a stretch is because Archer and Bard are completely opposite ends of the spectrum. Everything else regardig the jobs makes sense. LNC to DRG. PGL to MNK. Etc. Archer to Bard makes zero sense. It's wielding 2 completely different things that are wildly unrelated, which is part of the reason that weapon looks so ridiculous. It's also mixing 2 roles that a lot of players are going to dislike having mixed. If their goal is to be a support class, aka Bard, 99% of players are going to be uninterested at best in playing Archer.

And beyond all that... it's just a dumb and lazy idea, dude. They're obviously trying to squeeze a job into a class where it doesn't belong because the Armoury system is so rigid.

Plus, what other weapons are we going to see for a "barcher?" A bowcarina? A pianbow? A blute? Or is it only gonna be harp-bows?

It's just silly.

No, just because a job can pull not make it the same, I agree with that. However, since the playerbase clearly placed the Bard job in FFXI in the pulling role, and archer is realistically the only class we have in FFXIV that is a clear pulling job, it made sense to me that SE might have thought the two would go well together. And who says Archer is suddenly a support class just because it might unlock the Bard class?

Also, claiming that 99% of the players will be uninterested in playing ARC if is tied to BRD is quite a broad statement and one not based on facts. This heated debate is clearly very much in two camps - those players for and those who are against the idea. Plenty of players who currently play ARC will be OK with the class being tied to the Bard job.

If they had asked me, I would have preferred to see Corsair, Musketeer, or even Thief tied to ARC instead of BRD, even though I loved playing as a bard in XI.

Oh and for the record, I am not a dude.

[Travesty]

No, just because a job can pull not make it the same, I agree with that. However, since the playerbase clearly placed the Bard job in FFXI in the pulling role, and archer is realistically the only class we have in FFXIV that is a clear pulling job, it made sense to me that SE might have thought the two would go well together. And who says Archer is suddenly a support class just because it might unlock the Bard class?

Bard became a pulling class in XI out of necessity because most of the time in a camp, it was better for the other members of the party to be there when a mob arrived. They didn't make it a pulling job because it was designed to be. Also, the necessity of pulling was much more extreme in XI than it is in XIV, and by the way, any job can pull in XIV with Smoothed Stones or any number of ranged abilities which are far more common than in XI.

Also, using the argument that both jobs were capable of pulling in XI as the reason they could go together, amounts to FAR less than the multitude of reasons it's stupid for them to go together.

Also, claiming that 99% of the players will be uninterested in playing ARC if is tied to BRD is quite a broad statement and one not based on facts. This heated debate is clearly very much in two camps - those players for and those who are against the idea. Plenty of players who currently play ARC will be OK with the class being tied to the Bard job.

I will concede that 99% might be a little high of an estimate. But I would still strongly argue that the vast majority of players who say "I would love to play Bard" will not also say "I would love to play Archer." Again, they are complete opposite ends of the spectrum for what play style one wants to have.

If they had asked me, I would have preferred to see Corsair, Musketeer, or even Thief tied to ARC instead of BRD, even though I loved playing as a bard in XI.

Aaaaaaand here we reveal the real issue with what they have done. The way you feel, is the way most people are going to feel. Sure, they might be OK with Bard being tied to Archer. But, they would have preferred it be any number of other things, which makes what they have done a poor choice.

Oh and for the record, I am not a dude.

Apologies, dudette.(presumably)

[Bethor]

Uh... that's definitely a shield lol.



So because you are capable of pulling with both RNG and BRD in XI, that makes the jobs similar?

Sorry but no. The reason it's such a stretch is because Archer and Bard are completely opposite ends of the spectrum. Everything else regardig the jobs makes sense. LNC to DRG. PGL to MNK. Etc. Archer to Bard makes zero sense. It's wielding 2 completely different things that are wildly unrelated, which is part of the reason that weapon looks so ridiculous. It's also mixing 2 roles that a lot of players are going to dislike having mixed. If their goal is to be a support class, aka Bard, 99% of players are going to be uninterested at best in playing Archer.

And beyond all that... it's just a dumb and lazy idea, dude. They're obviously trying to squeeze a job into a class where it doesn't belong because the Armoury system is so rigid.

Plus, what other weapons are we going to see for a "barcher?" A bowcarina? A pianbow? A blute? Or is it only gonna be harp-bows?

It's just silly.

The bowcarina just made my day D:!

[northernsky]

So because you are capable of pulling with both RNG and BRD in XI, that makes the jobs similar?

Sorry but no. The reason it's such a stretch is because Archer and Bard are completely opposite ends of the spectrum. Everything else regardig the jobs makes sense. LNC to DRG. PGL to MNK. Etc. Archer to Bard makes zero sense. It's wielding 2 completely different things that are wildly unrelated, which is part of the reason that weapon looks so ridiculous. It's also mixing 2 roles that a lot of players are going to dislike having mixed. If their goal is to be a support class, aka Bard, 99% of players are going to be uninterested at best in playing Archer.

And beyond all that... it's just a dumb and lazy idea, dude. They're obviously trying to squeeze a job into a class where it doesn't belong because the Armoury system is so rigid.

Plus, what other weapons are we going to see for a "barcher?" A bowcarina? A pianbow? A blute? Or is it only gonna be harp-bows?

It's just silly.

But no one complained about XI's Corsair's abilities to buff and deal massive damage. because it was well implemented.

And people have been asking for gunblades, gunwhatever for a year now, how is it less silly? Again, it will depend on how it is implemented.

All we saw was concept art of one weapon, we are not even sure what that exactly is.

[Eekiki]

But no one complained about XI's Corsair's abilities to buff and deal massive damage. because it was well implemented.

And people have been asking for gunblades, gunwhatever for a year now, how is it less silly? Again, it will depend on how it is implemented.

All we saw was concept art of one weapon, we are not even sure what that exactly is.

Corsairs did massive damage?

[Jennestia]

Corsairs did massive damage?

Yep if they played it as more than a BRD with a gun. Wildfire alone puts it in top tier damage unless you were fighting mobs that laughed at magical damage.

Hell, even Quick Draws dealt a fair amount of damage buffed, especially with Empyrean Armor+2.

[Physic]

But no one complained about XI's Corsair's abilities to buff and deal massive damage. because it was well implemented.

And people have been asking for gunblades, gunwhatever for a year now, how is it less silly? Again, it will depend on how it is implemented.

All we saw was concept art of one weapon, we are not even sure what that exactly is.

this would be fine if bard was its own job, like corsair is, but i think people would have felt different about corsair, if ranger became corsair after 70.
lets say after 70 your ranger became corsair, they give you the option to cap your ranger at 70 and be a ranger, or cap it at 75 and be a corsair, with full access to merits. Also lets assume bard/smn (other buffing classes) ceased to exist. I think then youd find that most rangers would be pissed, and most people who want to be buffers would be like why dont i get my own job. and a bunch of people would be like this job system doesnt make too much sense, what does ranger have to do with corsaire.