Not finding DRK squishy at all.

[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

The problem is DRK need to blow CDs for normal survival.

Been doing the lvl60 dungeons as Warrior for 2 days now and I have to pop cooldowns for normal survival sometimes too.

And if we're going to keep using the "Dark Knight is a pally without a shield" then we should at least be fair and say "warrior is a pally with no shield, an axe and more hp" right?

AND. . . there has to be more . . .

[Aleisterz]

Healer main here. It really depends on the DRK. There are some absurdly squishy ones that take all my tools, efforts, and biggest heals to keep vertical. Sadly, right now there's a lot of these.

Then there's also DRKs that feel pretty much as sturdy as PLDs.

As more people learn the job, I'm hoping we'll get less of the ultra squishy kind and more of the sturdy ones.

Pretty much this. I'm a 60 Drk and I have been told that I'm very sturdy. I only really use my CDs for attempted speed runs or when I think a healer pug isn't doing a good job, my friends who are WHM and SCHs do just fine and find themselves dpsing a lot more with me tanking. I have not tried any extreme modes yet because I'm not fully geared yet. I'll maybe post my experience on extreme once I've done it.

I feel right now Drks are like WAR when ARR launched and we'll be fixed in a matter of time in regards. We'll def see Drks tanking till then but they'll be the ones that know their stuff. xD

I'm definitely gonna level up my WAR to 60 though because of them skills they got and I see them as highly wanted now plus just to be safe if I can't get a static because they do not want a Drk for the time being. d(o-od)

[TouchandFeel]

I feel right now Drks are like WAR when ARR launched and we'll be fixed in a matter of time in regards. We'll def see Drks tanking till then but they'll be the ones that know their stuff. xD

That's what it feels like to me as well and I'm sure that they will be tweaked/fixed/whatever you want to call it, hopefully soon or at least by 3.1.

Me, I'm keeping on with DRK despite the current setbacks because the cadence of Dark Arts usage just feels correct to me, can't quite explain it, and if I push myself to perform as DRK is now I will be even better when the adjustments do come.

Probably going to use PLD, my old main, as my secondary tank since I see their support based toolkit being more different to DRK than what WAR has, that and I do like support abilities alot.

[dank1]

The fact that you can successfully tank an easy story quest dungeon with no problem isnt the issue, considering even a melee can tank these dungeons and because of that a healer might say "you werent squishy" to the melee.

The issue comes from comparing it to other classes, you look at other tank classes and then you look at previous high level content (aka coil) and yourself how would DRK fare in this content? Thats when issues arise, considering other tank classes had some issues or needed a high skill level to be viable, currently DRK seems to have a lesser kit all around which means you have to work even harder to the point where you ask yourself is this worth it? And why not tank with a stronger class?

I dont mind the challenge but the keyword here is balance

[Hundred]

Lol I blow cooldowns as a Warrior. Why not, Dungeons aren't cleared in 5 minutes, you have blatent time between initial mobs and bosses for cooldowns to regenerate so use them, just lets me use Deliverance more with 6 str accessories and still hold aggro /lettheminmaxbegin.

[whiskeybravo]

Lol I blow cooldowns as a Warrior. Why not, Dungeons aren't cleared in 5 minutes, you have blatent time between initial mobs and bosses for cooldowns to regenerate so use them, just lets me use Deliverance more with 6 str accessories and still hold aggro /lettheminmaxbegin.

Exactly, CDs are there to use. I use them all throughout dungeons, the healer I run with likes to dps too, and changes to lustrate make it harder to dps and keep my hp up. Use them in Deliverance to hit that double Fell cleave, I love Fell Cleave lol. Been trying to snag str accessories but melee's keep snatching them up from me ; ;

I hear both sides in various chats, dkn being quishy, dkn being op.. I ran a couple dungeons at first to see how it plays, seems like it's got a good combination of recovery and mitigation, not sure how it ends up being squishy from that. Maybe just too many people who aren't used to tanking picking it up, I plan on leveling it eventually since tanking is my main and they share gear, will prolly be patched by then tho lol

[Draciella]

My static maintains we raid regulary and doing t13 as a dark knight was a rather big shock to my healers. (Normally pld MT). The missing RoH debuff and -8% from stoneskin made it very noticeable. The biggest issue was the missing mitigation for physical damage, slight redeeming factor is that flare breath following flatten is magical so darkmind was used twice in place of living dead.

[SuzakuCMX]

Only time in levelling dungeons I saw DRK being squishy was when they pulled multiple mob groups and then tried to turn off grit to DPS :X Otherwise it was about the same as healing a PLD/WAR for me.

[Kaedan94]

The fact that you can successfully tank an easy story quest dungeon with no problem isnt the issue, considering even a melee can tank these dungeons and because of that a healer might say "you werent squishy" to the melee.

lol Talk about hyperbole in the extreme. No, no melee DPS could tank the new dungeons.

[Hundred]

lol Talk about hyperbole in the extreme. No, no melee DPS could tank the new dungeons.

They probably can if they overgear it.
Nappreap gives i160 gear, its tuned for people with i148/i150 gear actually less then that as it doesn't expect that you have a full set of Library gear or quest gear. I170 gear is overkill if Dps can't "tank" it probably because of aggro concerns.
I can tank it with 6 str accessories in DPS stance already, which only says to me an overgeared dps will probably be able to tank it so long as they were able to hold aggro.

The new dungeons aren't hard or at least they aren't hard for very long. Ilvl 145 requirements when you could probably do the content in i130. If you're i160-i170 you're over gearing by 15-25 levels lol.