Dark Knight Idea thread: Suggestions

[TouchandFeel]

My general thoughts/ideas so far.

- Salted Earth: Change it from a ground target aoe to dropping at the feet of the current target. Keeps the flexibility of using it at range but removes the clunkiness of ground targeting as a melee class.

- Grit: Lower activation cost.

- Darkside: Change the visual fx to be more tightly concentrated on the drk's body so it is visible on the player even when it the middle of combat with lots of spells/abilities going off, but not so intrusive when people are just standing around a hub.

- Dark Dance: Get rid of the dodge/evasion DA effect and just make it increase parry more by 20%-30%. Dodging things goes completely against the functionality of the main MP regaining CD, Blood Price, and has zero synergy with any other ability. At least parry helps with other abilities.

- Shadow Wall: Decrease the recast time on it to 150 seconds, like Vengeance, plus each physical hit received has a chance (30%?) of applying blind for 10 seconds (p.s. make blind more viable in high lvl content in general, very meh debuff at the moment due to resists/immunities).

- Reprisal: Remove proc requirement, increase cd to 45 seconds, increase debuff duration to 30 seconds, parry refreshes the ability.

- Delerium: Change debuff to "takes X% more magic damage" instead of INT down.

- Carve and Spit: Increase MP gain from it.

- Dark Passenger: Decrease MP cost, change from line to conal aoe, change blind DA effect to applies the debuff Doom Spikes for 10 seconds to the target where they take a 50 potency hit every time they deal damage.

- Plunge: add the ability to use DA with it and have it apply the buff "Grave Determination" for 10 seconds which make the player immune to knockbacks and pull-in effects and removes binds and movement impairing effects (essentially gives DRK a Tempered Will like buff but ties it to DA usage to avoid ability bloat).

- Living Dead: provide better visual feedback for activation of the zombie state (not the ability activation but going into the Walking Dead state). This could be done with a visual effect on the player, but it would have to not clash, cancel out or get lost in the Darkside visual effect. Also add in to the Walking Dead state that heals received are X% (20-30%?) more effective so that the insta-death punishment is eased a little.

[Zyph]

What's this? A stupid kneejerk "please change everything" thread popping up on launch day?

I've had no problems managing MP. Why don't we give it time and see how the dust settles once people actually learn to play properly.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

What's this? A stupid kneejerk "please change everything" thread popping up on launch day?

I've had no problems managing MP. Why don't we give it time and see how the dust settles once people actually learn to play properly.

You don't need to play a class for weeks to understand its playstyle. Warrior was my first tank and right now it frankly: a lot better. I have played Paladin as well, what have you played?

From your other threads it seems ya have only done DRK.

[Rover1983]

You don't need to play a class for weeks to understand its playstyle. Warrior was my first tank and right now it frankly: a lot better. I have played Paladin as well, what have you played?

I agree, the Warrior "feels" better currently. I feel like I'm trying to force myself to like the DRK and while I do, it feel's lackluster compared to Warrior. But, keep in mind its still new and I'm sure changes will happen overtime. I just got back into FFXIV and I'm not all that familiar with how fast/often SE makes class changes so I don't know how long itll take before we see anything happen with them.

[Rover1983]

We need more life leaching abilities or, increase the potency of the ones we currently have. Right now, they're way too weak to even notice much with how hard mobs are hitting in the new areas/dungeons. Reminds me of the Dark Templar in Age of Conan.. the life leaching was pathetic and not even worth using. Well, similar to here, the life leaching abilities are not really that great. I do like a lot of changes in this thread, particularly the ones that increase the life leaching potency of some abilities. The only games that have done life leaching tanks all that well from my experiences in 15 yrs of mmo's has been EQ's Shadow Knight, and sad to say, WoWs Death Knight. Both of these have done life leaching well.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

I hope they fix some stuff.

[Aleisterz]

O_< OP is silly and dumb. Didn't read comments just OP and I shook my head, its a tank class and what he said does not work with tanks at all.

[Morcavious]

A summarized version of my post in the other suggestion thread:

1.) Give ius a reliable Tank Buster. Warriors have IB, Paladins have Sheltron. Rework the DA effect on Dark Passenger to either act as a large absorb shield (~20% of Max Health or ~1200 potency like the two new tank heals). This could instead be applied to the Carve and Spit if we really want to keep that blind. Maybe shift the blind effect to Shadow Wall?

2.) We can all agree that reprisal needs to be able to get applied while off tanking, preferably with closer to 100% uptime. Reduce the potency if you need to.

3.) Add the slashing damage debuff to Delirium.

Those changes allow us to use Souleater and Dark Dance as ways to ease the pressure of consistent auto attacks, which would put us right in line with everyone else.

[Hundred]

A summarized version of my post in the other suggestion thread:

1.) Give ius a reliable Tank Buster. Warriors have IB, Paladins have Sheltron. Rework the DA effect on Dark Passenger to either act as a large absorb shield (~20% of Max Health or ~1200 potency like the two new tank heals). This could instead be applied to the Carve and Spit if we really want to keep that blind. Maybe shift the blind effect to Shadow Wall?

Rampart and Sentinel are there for the hard hits as a PlD. Which Is replicated again by Shadowskin, Shadow wall and if magically relevant, Dark Mind. It really does seem like you're shotgunning...

To go over again.....
Rampart = Shadow skin
Sentinel = Shadow wall, Sentinel is 10% higher mitigation.
Dark Mind does not have an equivalent.
Bullwark (60% parry) Is rivaled by Dark dance (30% Parry, 20% evasion on a much much lower cooldown).

Theres nothing wrong with Delirium, just as there is nothing wrong with Rage of Halone doing 10% str. Theres a rather blatant reason why Drks have 80 more potency on their enmity Combo then Paladins.

[Morcavious]

snip.

And to once again explain. It's clear that Square has created two different types of mitigation cooldowns. Long sustained ones, and short bursty ones.

Rampart (Phys/Magic) = Shadowskin (Phys/Magic) > Raw Intuition (Phys)
Sentinel ~ Shadow Wall ~ Vengeance
IB (Phys/Magic) > Sheltron (Phys) > N/A
Dark Dance > Bulwark > Lots of random warrior things

See the missing piece there? An argument could be made that that's where Dark Mind is supposed to fit in, and hopefully that's the case. Hopefully we'll see lots of magic damage in Alexander.