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  1. #1
    Player
    Kaedan94's Avatar
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    Kinako Kuromitsu
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    Tonberry
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    Fisher Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeyis View Post
    Let me ask you then, and put you to silence:
    When was the last time you did Chrysalis?
    A day before the maintenance for Heavensward for my wife. She was behind on the main story and I helped her with the fight.

    I did it recently, and I was the only experienced player there. If I hadnt been a healer it would have been tough. And tbh altho I believe I said it was mostly due to me; that's not quite true either. We only killed the rift with ease because a ninja friend was also there.
    So what, you want a cookie?

    I ignored your argument because I thought it was kind of obvious just how bad of an argument it was.
    Just look at your own post. Is that a good example of ''The vast majority of people are understanding and will talk you through.''?
    Because you dont sound very understanding..
    You ignored my point 3 because it negated your other attacks towards my reply and you knew it. People who haven't done an instance before simply should say so when they enter. That's far better than staying silent. Most of the time someone will explain what needs explaining and you'll get through it no problem. Once in a blue moon you'll get a troll or someone that leaves because it's the first time.
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    Khaela Alteri
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    Balmung
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    Pugilist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeyis View Post
    You forgot doubles.
    Unless the tank is just barely at ilevel, doubles don't need anything special. They don't hit that hard.
    You forgot healing during the orbs. (people always hit others with them)
    Which is just standard healing. Nothing special about it.
    You say ''any aoe'' but the aoes in this fight are rather a big deal.
    Not any bigger than whatever version of Titan you're not COMPLETELY over gearing's stomps. Less of one than anything odin does. No more than Shiva's AoE's. No more than really any AoE that's not completely over geared.


    Tanks dont actually do anything against tripple shock. The healer takes care of it.
    Not inner beasting/using any of the random CDs that Pld has access to is just lazy/shitty tanking. Sorry, but if you aren't using your CDs for tank busters, what ARE you using them for? And the healer should STILL try to time their heal for it just in case their tank is shit and doesn't CD for it, and because you should learn to do that anyway because when you're on actual difficult content tank busters may need both to ensure your tank doesn't get gibbed by an auto-attack crit right after the tank buster (like what happens with sangetell in Odin). Tank busters should be handled by both the tank and the healer, not one or the other.

    Eat meteors is something that anyone can do. Tanks and healers are prefered since their dps sucks and they wont be as useful killing the rift.
    Also because Tanks have a lot more HP/Mitigation and the meteors actually do a lot of damage. Heals should only be catching a couple the entire round that tanks can't get to in order to avoid potential deaths. DPS shouldn't be catching any because loss of DPS on the Rift means more meteors falling faster than they can be grabbed without killing people.

    Adds need to be killed rather then tanks.
    They need to be aimed away and then killed. Tanks should grab them because they're the only ones that can easily eclipse healer aggro and aim them such that they aren't hitting everyone else. Unless the DPS is on them fast enough to stop them from ever firing their AoE heavy.

    And my main is pug, like it says on the left. Not tank.

    But I've got Monk, Warrior, Paladin, and WHM at over ilevel 120 from before expansion and have played all in ARR level 50 stuff extensively.
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    Last edited by Krylo; 06-25-2015 at 01:10 PM.

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    Musashidon's Avatar
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    Blackmage Vivi
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    Leviathan
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    Gladiator Lv 100
    just play a dragoon! their job is to tank the floor
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    Velisra's Avatar
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    Te'mariel Fheydra
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    Rafflesia
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Musashidon View Post
    just play a dragoon! their job is to tank the floor
    I totally felt like this just now in DD. First time in there, and though I read about it so I'd be prepared, the aoe was a bit much! And then I completely embarrassed myself by forgetting about LB. :-(

    OP, I get it. I don't really like the enforced grouping and all that to progress the story, but I do see why it's there and it's necessary.

    Group content is just not my favorite thing, and it stresses me out, but it's far and away better here than in the MMO I just left, because the community here (so far) has been great. The community over there would have heaped expletives on my head and cursed my mother and father to the eighth hell if I forgot something and/or died and the group would have dissolved in anger and rage quitting after the first wipe (not my fault!) if I'd had a run there like I just had in DD here.

    I always run dungeons for the first time as a dps, though usually a ranged dps because it's easier for me to see what's going on with the encounters and such. I just got started here with the dragoon and really liked it, so there it is. FF makes it pretty easy to see the aoe attacks for the most part, so at least there's that. :-)
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    Chihaya's Avatar
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    Syanonn Rias
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    Balmung
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Nothing is story mode is hard after they nerfed Steps of Faith - that was the only one with some difficulty but not anymore.
    Each boss now can be explained in a few lines of instructions.
    The Chrysalis:
    Boss go in middle - run into balls around room - alternate if possible
    Meteor phase - tanks catch meteors - dps kill vortex

    You can choose to explain more if you want but it is not really necessary and lol@healing chrysalis is hard. The boss gives you huge ass cast time warning that double/triple is coming and THEN casts sparks, we don't get that luxury in coil much.
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    Skadi Felis
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    Ragnarok
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    Pugilist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Chihaya View Post
    Nothing is story mode is hard after they nerfed Steps of Faith - that was the only one with some difficulty but not anymore.
    Each boss now can be explained in a few lines of instructions.
    The Chrysalis:
    Boss go in middle - run into balls around room - alternate if possible
    Meteor phase - tanks catch meteors - dps kill vortex

    You can choose to explain more if you want but it is not really necessary and lol@healing chrysalis is hard. The boss gives you huge ass cast time warning that double/triple is coming and THEN casts sparks, we don't get that luxury in coil much.
    You forgot the portal

    Portal: run to the edge of the arena to delay that the portal suck you in. Wait until your bleeding debuff timer is by 8-5s. Then activate all your buffs. The moment the bleeding end you get automatic sucked into the portal and the remain timers of your buffs (and debuff if you enter the portal with the bleeding) get multiple.
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    Cole Evyx
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    Gilgamesh
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    Scholar Lv 90
    I am giggling because all the heavnsward dungeons were super super easy compared to earlier dungeons.

    IE: Brayflox as a scholar, that is fun
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    LunaSnowfield's Avatar
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    Nova Elysium
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    Balmung
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    >Get a FC
    >Make Friends
    >Ask for help and build a group
    >avoid DF
    > PROFIT!!
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    Cutie Mcsnuggles
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    Masamune
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    As respectfully as I can, I disagree with you completely.
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    Erin Grey
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    Mateus
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    Monk Lv 80
    I used to prefer optional dungeons. I have bad social/performance anxiety, especially when I'm with people I know. In the last MMO I played, it took me over a year of playing to even get the courage up to try a dungeon.

    This game pushed me into dungeons and out of my comfort zone by making them mandatory for the story. Since then, I've gained a lot of confidence in my skills as a player, I've become comfortable, and now look forward to learning and conquering new dungeons and their challenges. Mandatory story dungeons have improved my healthy confidence in my skills and improved my play.

    You know what else helped me become more brave? The fact that you're with random people you don't know almost every time. One of the benefits of cross server DF.

    If you mess up or get confused and they can't handle it, the worst they can do is fuss and kick you. You won't ever see them or hear from them again most likely, so just try again. You can keep trying and trying until you get it right, with a fresh group each try. Even if all of the groups you're with while you are learning are jerks, you'll have a fresh start and won't see them ever again most likely each time, so no harm done.

    And as a healer, you should really learn to enjoy running frequent dungeons if you enjoy healing. Where else are you going to get to play healer? When you're doing solo content you aren't exactly getting to do much of the healing you say you enjoy.

    So really, mandatory story dungeons are just a strong encouragement for you to improve yourself and experience new things, and grow out of your comfort zone. Being able to hide from them is a great option to have, but doing so isn't helping you grow any.
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