So, why isn't this a thing yet?

[Enthy]

Aww the child Miqote sure is cute! But I think I would rather see more mature/and or beast like playable races before another cutesy race. We already have chibi lalas, waifu miqotes, and more waifu lizard girls with little or no options to make them look tough... or at least not so delicate....

I would like to use that short bob-cat like tail she has on my character. There was a really short tail option during ARR Beta but they got rid of it for release for some reason :/

[Kaze3434]

Waitaminute... by your own logic, then, we SHOULD have child characters in this game, so that paedophiles are given a harmless outlet for their psychological issues and will be less likely to resort to less savory outlets. Which side of the discussion are you on, anyway? XD

Mind you, I'm not invested one way or the other about adding child player characters to the game, but neither do I think that doing so would plunge the game into a dark age of pedo ERP. It's as silly as imagining that allowing male characters more cross-dressing options would turn the world into a drag festival.

thats not what they are saying, as the majority of people who do act on such feelings have already committed to doing said act, with or without help. the argument stems from trying to stop something before it can happen, similar to people who say to ban guns because others kill people with guns.
"dont own guns, they kill people!"
"dont put kids in the game, there are pedos out there!"

[micropanther7]

You could have contributed differently to this discussion, expressing your concern about certain clothing pieces and suggesting that they can be remodeled, much like what happens with some glamour pieces when worn by lalafells. But nope. You had to start calling OP a pedo, disregarding anything he and others said. Because now it's what the cool kids do, point fingers, wage wars that would be right but against the wrong targets, refuse to give anyone the benefit of the doubt, and generally just being obnoxious. If I were you I'd apologise to the OP for slandering him with very little reason if not the fact that he used the word "loli". But what do I know, I'm just an old lady who likes cute things and doesn't like people who point fingers before even using their brain.

I sure hope you're only acting like this because this is the internet. Wouldn't want you to take a stroll through the park, see an old man tending to a little kid's wound while her mother is busy taking random selfies, and start shouting at the old man for being a pedo. It's good to be concerned about something, it's really bad to accuse before getting the facts straight or without knowing anything.

[Fortified]

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"Outside Japan, lolicon is in less common usage and usually refers to the genre. The term is a reference to Vladimir Nabokov's book Lolita, in which a middle-aged man becomes sexually obsessed with a twelve-year-old girl. It was first used in Japan in the 1970s and quickly became used to describe erotic dojinshi (amateur comics) portrayals of young girls." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolicon

Loli is a sexual term. You can argue whether OP meant it in a sexual way or not, but the term Loli refers to erotica.

[IzzyData]

Instead of playable children I'd be interested in seeing a wider range of height scaling. The height slider is like a difference of 4 inches top to bottom. Should be at least a foot.

"The term is a reference to Vladimir Nabokov's book Lolita, in which a middle-aged man becomes sexually obsessed with a twelve-year-old girl.

Loli is a sexual term. You can argue whether OP meant it in a sexual way or not, but the term Loli refers to erotica.

Not inherently it doesn't. The term lolicon does for sure though as it means lolita complex. Pretty sure at this point loli is just an objective statement about physical appearance with no implied connotations.

[okitaluc]

For me lalafells looks like 3-4 year old children, but aren't treated as one which makes the thing a little different. But i see it in a good way it's a funny race to play with.

[Nestama]

I'd still prefer children be left as NPC's. An NPC being capable of doing this and that (which is just being an ACN, CNJ, or PGL) is fine, but when you have a bunch of kids running around capable of expertly wielding a great sword or firing a gun without dislocating their arm or even surviving Ultima... it's just silly and would most likely make some players currently playing the game leave (not everyone playing this game is a fan of anime).

[Mimilu]

This thread is getting bad really quickly. >A>()

Like I said, more youthful-looking facial features and maybe a more youthful looking race would be the best route.

There is another issue with players playing as children though: children need to grow up. It would be too odd for a child to permanently stay a child versus adults staying as adults. Granted, the in-game-story time is a very vague. :B

[Edellis]

Like, seriously, is there a valid reason for which loliqo'tes are not playable yet?

The answer [yes] is ironically contained in the question you asked.

For tons of reasons I dont think I have to get into, playing a child character is out of the question and makes zero lore sense.

Lalafell is about the closest thing you're going to get, but they're just really small and stubby. This is played for a few laughs, but the lore gives them no lack of respect in regards to the other races, and despite having adorable faces, none of the Lalafell design choices will ever have them mistaken for children, and they're the most sexually ambiguous class in the game. I don't know how the Japanese audio handles this, but there isn't a single Lala NPC in English that is cast to sound even remotely childlike or small. Not one.


Suspension of disbelief is in effect for things like Lalafell carrying heavy weaponry and armor and playing tank roles. But for most of the other classes they make plenty of sense.

But there's really no suspension of disbelief when you throw a kitten (or any child-esque player) into a pit with a fire breathing demon primal.

[Zyrusticae]

Edit: Let me just say that I would actually be okay with just more facial options, a wider range on the height slider, and the option to go to perflat on the breast slider. (Actually, I'm still kind of annoyed that the boob slider doesn't go all the way to flat...)

If this thread has taught me anything, it's that there are some very scary people with questionable ethics here. What could have been a light-hearted post about an adorable inclusion in Heavensward has degraded into a petty squabble trying to justify the unjustifiable. It's disgusting, it's vulgar and it has no place on a public forum.

If you really want to know why game developers are so frightened to add things like this into games, look no further than yourselves. Even when it's clearly benign, some people find a way to twist and contort it into an unspeakable horror. I hope this entire thread gets deleted.

Yuuuuuuuuuup.

Paedophilia is a very sensitive topic for obvious reasons. For the great majority of the human race, there's a strong biological urge to protect children, and this particular crime is one which by its very definition targets children. Because of this, extremism and overreactions are commonplace - particularly on the Internet, where trolls are plentiful and Poe's Law is commonplace.

The implications that folks who enjoy their animu waifus are just waiting for their chance to leap on a real-life child are frankly nonsense. If you were to present such people with a real example of child rape, the vast majority would be as sickened as anyone else would (and the minority who aren't would be no larger a percentage than any other group). There are plenty of folks who are perfectly at ease sitting through a Saw movie who would lose their lunch if they were to see any of that happen to a real person. Enjoying the fantasy does NOT equate to enjoying the reality. It doesn't even indicate a tendency.

Even if we are willing to categorize such people as actual paedophiles though, how are they actually harming anyone? No children are harmed in the production of loli and shota erotica. Until such an individual actually begins performing criminal acts against real children, there's nothing to worry about. Some might claim that the existence of these kinds of materials "encourages" people to go out and try the real thing - but this is the same kind of hysterical nonsense that got Jack Thompson rightfully laughed off the bar during his crusade against "murder simulator" video games.

Crusading against people because you perceive they MIGHT perform criminal acts against children someday is the worst sort of witch hunt. Save the anger and hatred for the actual criminals.

+1, you said it much better than I could!

It's baffling, really. This thread was about sharing a picture of a very cute NPC who many might have missed, and expressing the wish for something similar to be playable in the future.

OP used the word loli and some people went shit crazy about that, calling for a witch hunt and basically calling him a pedo. You do know that the current definition of loli is pretty different from the idea of the lolita novel? It CAN have sexual meaning, and it CAN not, because it's now used a lot more loosely than it was. But of course, OP has a girl in his signature, he must be a pedo! Oh, look, OP said he doesn't like Minfilia but prefers Raya, he must be a pedo! Dear gods, you guys are so judgemental it makes me sick. Do you even realize you've done nothing but bash and trashtalk someone purely for stating that he likes cuteness? Do you even realize how many people inbetween your holy war posts joined the discussion saying they would switch to that race immediately if available, yet nobody started picking on them?
You don't sound like you're worried about child abuse, rather you sound like average bullies.

You could have contributed differently to this discussion, expressing your concern about certain clothing pieces and suggesting that they can be remodeled, much like what happens with some glamour pieces when worn by lalafells. But nope. You had to start calling OP a pedo, disregarding anything he and others said. Because now it's what the cool kids do, point fingers, wage wars that would be right but against the wrong targets, refuse to give anyone the benefit of the doubt, and generally just being obnoxious. If I were you I'd apologise to the OP for slandering him with very little reason if not the fact that he used the word "loli". But what do I know, I'm just an old lady who likes cute things and doesn't like people who point fingers before even using their brain.

I sure hope you're only acting like this because this is the internet. Wouldn't want you to take a stroll through the park, see an old man tending to a little kid's wound while her mother is busy taking random selfies, and start shouting at the old man for being a pedo. It's good to be concerned about something, it's really bad to accuse before getting the facts straight or without knowing anything.

FAITH IN HUMANITY RESTORED. Good job!