So, why isn't this a thing yet?

[Chambers]

I usually don't like personally attacking people, but this thing gets on my nerves. It's almost as bad as religion and politics talks.

Since I'm near my posting limit, dragongirlviola is my steam page name.

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No it isn't. Just because you want to jump on the bandwagon with two to three other people doesn't validate your opinion.

Why is child porn illegal? Injury to minors. Why isn't Loli and Shota banned? Because they don't exist in real life.

Right, the list meets that criteria though, so it's fine, right?

[Parryacg]

This isn't the dark ages, realize being attracted to children in any fashion is pedophilia.

You're right, we're in an age where people with dumb opinions like yours are allowed to be typed on a keyboard.

It isn't pedophilia, dude. Pedophilia requires a real child. IE children's clothing, pictures, etc. It does not include pictures of animu girls and boys. We can go through this for another 10 pages, but your opinion is wrong on its most basic level.

The fact of the matter is you don't like it because it's in mainstream animu. If you want someone to blame, blame the Otakus. I personally don't watch animu, so beat it.

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Must we continue this? I've already proven you both wrong. As have other people in this thread.

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Actually, since we're on this fine topic, if you two do not understand the basic difference between something fake and something real, that is your problem, not mine. Just because what you perceive as right does not make you right, the people proving you wrong at every turn are the ones that are right.

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Welp, hit post limit for the day, unsurprisingly. Annoyed dragongirl is annoyed.

[Shiro-Koizumi]

I still think a nice middle ground is giving us Alphinauds body type as an option. That's easily 14 years or around in age. People can be young looking without the Social justice warriors throwing a tizzy.

It's a win-win.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

I still think a nice middle ground is giving us Alphinauds body type as an option. That's easily 14 years or around in age. People can be young looking without the Social justice warriors throwing a tizzy.

It's a win-win.

Considering they are blaming me for having a "15y old looking girl" in my signature, I wouldn't be so sure of that.

Funny thing is, we don't even know what the legal age is, in Eorzea. There might not even be one. But I digress.

[Chambers]

Must we continue this? I've already proven you both wrong. As have other people in this thread.

You literally haven't proven anything. If anything you've proven to everyone who reads this thread how deluded you are.

[Lemuria]

If this thread has taught me anything, it's that there are some very scary people with questionable ethics here. What could have been a light-hearted post about an adorable inclusion in Heavensward has degraded into a petty squabble trying to justify the unjustifiable. It's disgusting, it's vulgar and it has no place on a public forum.

If you really want to know why game developers are so frightened to add things like this into games, look no further than yourselves. Even when it's clearly benign, some people find a way to twist and contort it into an unspeakable horror. I hope this entire thread gets deleted.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

If you really want to know why game developers are so frightened to add things like this into games, look no further than yourselves. Even when it's clearly benign, some people find a way to twist and contort it into an unspeakable horror. I hope this entire thread gets deleted.

Sadly I have to agree with you.

[Averax]

If this thread has taught me anything, it's that there are some very scary people with questionable ethics here. What could have been a light-hearted post about an adorable inclusion in Heavensward has degraded into a petty squabble trying to justify the unjustifiable. It's disgusting, it's vulgar and it has no place on a public forum.

If you really want to know why game developers are so frightened to add things like this into games, look no further than yourselves. Even when it's clearly benign, some people find a way to twist and contort it into an unspeakable horror. I hope this entire thread gets deleted.

Yes

This thread is completely disgusting, and it needs to be taken down.

If someone had just posted this thread without including the word loli anywhere near the OP, it probably would have ended better.

[Samcaesar]

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That's not my "opinion", child pornography ("Virtual" or otherwise) isn't a good thing that's a fact, it's objectively morally wrong. Removing/Preventing things that are objectively morally wrong isn't a bad thing, in fact it should be welcome.

Have you even looked at some of the filth that TERA or the anime industry produces? It's not that I "don't like it", hell I don't like tanks in bikinis, but I can at least recognize that they're sexualizing an adults body, which is much less problematic than sexualizing a child's body.

Whenever there's a thread wanting child characters, with someone claiming that "Raya-O-Senna is hotter than Minfilia", then people trying to make it seem like "virtual child pornography" is different than "actual child pornography", I wouldn't really say I'm trying "to desperately defend from inexistant enemies". I don't get how not wanting pedophiles in a game to feel welcome is childish.

Yes.. Drawings and pixels deliberately made to be sexually attractive to pedophiles.

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Great ad hominem! Carrying on.

No. I've said I don't like it because I've seen what being "tolerant" of this sort of stuff results in in the anime industry. Frankly it'll only getting worse and worse, look at what it's done to TERA, look at what it's done to anime and those disgusting people who want "loli/shota"

And oh hey let's have a fun quote from one of the most influential men in animation history --

"It's difficult. [My female protagonists] immediately become the subjects of rorikon gokko (play toy for Lolita Complex males). In a sense, if we want to depict someone who is affirmative to us, we have no choice but to make them as lovely as possible. But now, there are too many people who shamelessly depict [such protagonists] as if they just want [such girls] as pets, and things are escalating more and more."

—Hayao Miyazaki, 1988 interview with Animage

Cristo, you folks sound like the same folks who say "You're being the REAL racist by calling out my racist behavior!". Is it wrong that I'm bothered by the fact people love to sexualize children? No, because most people are bothered by the fact that people want to sexualize children. I've stated my reason for being so adamant about this, but instead you make baseless attacks. A "Lolicon" is someone who's a pedophile, it comes from the book "Lolita" about a man who has a sexual attraction to a twelve year old girl. You can't call yourself a fan of "Loli/shota" and not be a pedophile, it's literally where the phrase comes from.

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Fun, more ad hominem!

It's not just in mainstream anime, it's in the entire industry. The people at fault at those "otakus" who crave little girls, you know lolicons.

No, pedophilia is an attraction to children. No matter what way you spin this "loli/shota" is children. Are men who look at drawn versions of two men having sex and masturbate to it gay? Yes. Yes they are. There isn't a different category for being attracted to "virtual" versions of something. If you are sexually attracted to "virtual men" and you are a man, you are attracted to men.

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Got an issue with people corrupting things? Blame the OP, you know, the person who finds Raya-O-Senna, a person with the physical appearance of a child, hot. Don't blame people who are being rightfully cautious. Either way, yeah, I'd love for this thread to be deleted.

[Kaze3434]

You literally haven't proven anything. If anything you've proven to everyone who reads this thread how deluded you are.

he showed that his stance of "digital/not real" is at least more logical than the carpet "anything having children depicted is wrong!" stance that you are taking. exactly because something is outside of the realms of reality is why they are allowed. people keep bringing up elins, but ignore the lore of them being x age inside the game. thats kind of surprising with the number of people who praise the lore of this game. you must also remember that different standards are normal in a world with as much culture as ours, thus the whole reason OPs use of the word loli doesnt mean much to me(its a word, get over it). does this mean OP knows the origin of the word for most people? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita . no, and i dont care if he does.
why do you think things like loli doujins or animated videos can continue to be made and sold at conventions/stores?(Comiket) because there is no direct correlation to someone liking loli in print to harming a child in real life.(bolded those two words to make a disconnect between them, on in virtual, the other in reality) i myself dont care much for playing or having kids as something that is playable, but trying to say that someones use of a word is worrying and a sign is pretty out there. what they want is an option, and you are using an opinion to say that asking for that option is wrong.

just something as an aside, its interesting that perception is reality in more than just my job. i really with facts would be used, and not just what people think.

edit-2; saw the cat in game, and i found one problem. either her head is too small, or lala heads are fricking huge. seeing as lalas can never be wrong, i am inclined to think that cat head is too small.

edit 3- damn it tags, now i gotta clean my keyboard.