Dissipate overpowered?

[Rawrz]

Even after she dissipated I'm still trying to micromanage embrace. xD Its 30 seconds. You can burn swiftcast just before the buff falls off and bam she's back. Its extra utility in the form of aetherflow. 10/10 would recommend.

[technole]

I'd say that comes from how much the community at large seems to agree that you should micro-manage her to get any mileage out of her. After all that practice you went through to learn how to do that... it does seem like a bit like cutting off the best part of the job.

As I mentioned there are parts of raids where embrace spam isn't needed at all and/or the main healer can do such lifting with their own regens. We are only locked from fairy recast for 30 seconds. You make it sound like it's minutes.

Another strategic reason to use Dissipate is if you are anticipating a fairy swap, instead of just blowing the Swiftcast for an immediate summon, I can get some instant stacks to blow for damage and getting back to full MP, while a phase transition occurs.

Even after she dissipated I'm still trying to micromanage embrace. xD Its 30 seconds. You can burn swiftcast just before the buff falls off and bam she's back. Its extra utility in the form of aetherflow. 10/10 would recommend.

Extra utility, better shields, possible method to DPS and get to near/full MP instantly. 10/10.

You know where I like Dissipate outside of savage in current content? Seph Ex adds phase because the upside is very high. I can flow some energy drains to help some DPS and get back to full MP because of all the DPS in the first phase. Plus also having stronger heal/shields for two sets of big add kills, which also mess means less healing of that damage. Total win-win, and I'll have fairy swift before his ultimate.

Instead we get people who think this skill is just useless because they can't even figure out how to get full benefit from it.

[Gallus]

Instead we get people who think this skill is just useless because they can't even figure out how to get full benefit from it.

Your post is very constructive and helpful, but the above statement is completely unnecessary. Nothing bad about having different opinions about stuff and sharing our thoughts.
I still think dissipation is way too situational, but it's good people are finding utility out of it, I know I have a hard time doing so.

[Ekimmak]

As I mentioned there are parts of raids where embrace spam isn't needed at all and/or the main healer can do such lifting with their own regens. We are only locked from fairy recast for 30 seconds. You make it sound like it's minutes.

Another strategic reason to use Dissipate is if you are anticipating a fairy swap, instead of just blowing the Swiftcast for an immediate summon, I can get some instant stacks to blow for damage and getting back to full MP, while a phase transition occurs.

Well, that wasn't what I meant. I'm having a bit of trouble explaining my reasoning, but one of the defining characteristics of Scholar is the fairy, and there's no similar skills between you and either fairy besides embrace.

So you can explain to me why it's good, but it doesn't change that it feels like you're trading some of the utility of bringing scholar, for a higher healing output that you have to pay back in MP and swiftcast.

Can it work? I don't know. But I can see why there's differing opinions over whether the skill is any good or not.

[Llynd]

I do also think the fairy should return by herself.

[Sabeta]

Extra utility, better shields, possible method to DPS and get to near/full MP instantly. 10/10.

Better Utility
You lose your Utility.

Better Shields
Fey Illumination already does this, and doesn't kill 30% of your HPS in the process.

method to DPS and get to near/full MP instantly.
Fairy enables DPS by existing. It costs 1768 to bring back, and thus hurts your MP Bar. It also takes a Swiftcast, so now there's no recovering from any mistakes.

A Good Scholar uses their fairy. A Bad Scholar dismisses it. Here's an example for you. At i200 my Physick hits for roughly 3k even. Embrace hits for 1.5k, so exactly where does that 20% Healing buff become useful? You praise the 20% Healing boost, but Fey Illumination does the same thing, without eating the fairy, AND it's on a shorter cooldown as well. So now you've lost somewhere in the ballpark of 30% healing for 30s. You got 20% of it back, but you can't even use that bonus on your most significant Scholar spells, Lustrate and Indomitability. Once the spell ends you're going to have to bite a Swiftcast for you to get your fairy back. So now you've burned a ton of MP, Swiftcast, taken a 10% hit to your healing potency, and in exchange you got three stacks of Aetherflow. If you say you used these for moar DPS, then this is literally the least efficient way you could have achieved that. 150 Potency is NOT worth 1000 MP. Not when literally every single other DPS option you have at any given time is worth more efficient. In order for Dissipate to be worth the MP you have to use Energy Drain twice, and even then the gains are relatively small for everything you lost in return. If you're using it for HEALING; however, you're even worse off. You've literally traded away healing potency in order to burst heal for 2 seconds.

You know where I like Dissipate outside of savage in current content? Seph Ex adds phase because the upside is very high. I can flow some energy drains to help some DPS and get back to full MP because of all the DPS in the first phase. Plus also having stronger heal/shields for two sets of big add kills, which also mess means less healing of that damage. Total win-win, and I'll have fairy swift before his ultimate.

See, this here is a contradiction of what you set out to accomplish. Dissipation is costing you MP, unless you burned all three stacks on Energy Drain. In which case, claiming you have better heals is an outright lie. Better DPS is also a complete lie, because you were forced to actually heal because you didn't have the fairy around to do it for you. Even on the off-chance that your main healer actually is good enough that you "don't need fairy healing" there's still Selene, who offers way more utility than direct healing; which you admitted you don't need, but whose Embraces continue to allow you full-time DPS. Oh, and the Fairies share cooldowns, most of which are a minute long. "Fairy Swaps" aren't really a thing in the middle of combat. Not unless you feel like being pointlessly stylish because "hurrdurr I can use both fairies" despite doing so being a huge waste of time and efficiency.

At the end of the day you're just a "special snowflake" who feels high and mighty because they didn't wipe when they used a suboptimal spell in easy content, and thought they found some grand secret strategy. For the record; there actually IS a use for Disippation that may have been mentioned on an earlier page. It can be used during the Fairy's death animation. If you're about to lose your fairy then Dissipate is actually a very tactical choice, as now you're gaining something for what was already inevitable. (although again, a good scholar probably would have avoided their fairy dying in the first place with skills like Sustain)

[DarkmoonVael]

Better Utility
You lose your Utility.

Better Shields
Fey Illumination already does this, and doesn't kill 30% of your HPS in the process.

method to DPS and get to near/full MP instantly.
Fairy enables DPS by existing. It costs 1768 to bring back, and thus hurts your MP Bar. It also takes a Swiftcast, so now there's no recovering from any mistakes.

A Good Scholar uses their fairy. A Bad Scholar dismisses it. Here's an example for you. At i200 my Physick hits for roughly 3k even. Embrace hits for 1.5k, so exactly where does that 20% Healing buff become useful? You praise the 20% Healing boost, but Fey Illumination does the same thing, without eating the fairy, AND it's on a shorter cooldown as well. So now you've lost somewhere in the ballpark of 30% healing for 30s. You got 20% of it back, but you can't even use that bonus on your most significant Scholar spells, Lustrate and Indomitability. Once the spell ends you're going to have to bite a Swiftcast for you to get your fairy back. So now you've burned a ton of MP, Swiftcast, taken a 10% hit to your healing potency, and in exchange you got three stacks of Aetherflow. If you say you used these for moar DPS, then this is literally the least efficient way you could have achieved that. 150 Potency is NOT worth 1000 MP. Not when literally every single other DPS option you have at any given time is worth more efficient. In order for Dissipate to be worth the MP you have to use Energy Drain twice, and even then the gains are relatively small for everything you lost in return. If you're using it for HEALING; however, you're even worse off. You've literally traded away healing potency in order to burst heal for 2 seconds.



See, this here is a contradiction of what you set out to accomplish. Dissipation is costing you MP, unless you burned all three stacks on Energy Drain. In which case, claiming you have better heals is an outright lie. Better DPS is also a complete lie, because you were forced to actually heal because you didn't have the fairy around to do it for you. Even on the off-chance that your main healer actually is good enough that you "don't need fairy healing" there's still Selene, who offers way more utility than direct healing; which you admitted you don't need, but whose Embraces continue to allow you full-time DPS. Oh, and the Fairies share cooldowns, most of which are a minute long. "Fairy Swaps" aren't really a thing in the middle of combat. Not unless you feel like being pointlessly stylish because "hurrdurr I can use both fairies" despite doing so being a huge waste of time and efficiency.

At the end of the day you're just a "special snowflake" who feels high and mighty because they didn't wipe when they used a suboptimal spell in easy content, and thought they found some grand secret strategy. For the record; there actually IS a use for Disippation that may have been mentioned on an earlier page. It can be used during the Fairy's death animation. If you're about to lose your fairy then Dissipate is actually a very tactical choice, as now you're gaining something for what was already inevitable. (although again, a good scholar probably would have avoided their fairy dying in the first place with skills like Sustain)

You dont lose your utility. Many great scholars will actually use the fairies decent cooldowns (ie fey wind) before dissipating. What you losse is the embrace spam, but you are replacing it in a strategic manner with on demand lustrates/indomnibility. When learning new raid content, these can help far more when shit hits the fan than an embrace spam ever will. When people start taking too much damage due to mechanics not being done 100% correctly when learning the raid, i would like to see a scholar rescue the raid through embrace alone.......

Fey illumination may do the minor part of dissipation, that is the healing buff, but it certainly does not give the eatherflow, which is the part great scholars use this skill for. Also, its questionable if eos will even be present in a raid group at all, most raid scholars use selene in all but a few cases.

The dps gain that is being talked about is through energy drains, not through the use of fairy embrace spam. Also in a raid, its actually the main healer more than anything that allows the scholar to dps. If you ever run AST/WHM, there is no fairy, one healer can dps, and thats because of the main healer. The fairy helps out the main healer, but thats not the one reason a scholar can dps.....

You focus too much on the healing buff for some reason when it comes to dissipation. No great scholar used dissipation for the healing buff. What a great scholar can do with three extra stacks of eatherflow can be pretty amazing. Those three stacks can be used to do some absolutely necessary dps. Have you even been in a raid where you managed to kill the boss AS its enrage starts to go off? Yep, all peoples dps contributes to the not dying part of that.



Also at the end of the day, your attitude is really kind of appauling and wont get much support from people who frequent these healing forums. Calling someone a liar because they have found a use for dissipation is a little much, then going on to call them a special snowflake just kind of shows how bad your attitude is. Please curtail it.

Great scholars can find a legitamate use of it during raids. This is not to say its an amazing skill. Its situational at best, but when used in the right situation it is very very very powerful.

Sometimes, those 2 seconds are all you need to keep everyone alive. Lustrate is worth an Adlo in MP (1060.) Indom is worth a Succor and then some (1326). 30 more seconds of living gives you more time to recover mp. There is more than one way to conserve MP, Energy Drain (884 MP) isn't the only way. 9/10 times Ill be using Selene, so Fey Illumination is irrelevant and you don't use Dissipation for the Healing bonus. You use it for the stacks. Personally for A6s on Brawler, precast Shadow Flare, pop Fey Wind, burn my aetherflow on Energy Drains, Dissipate, then swift summon back when Bio, Aero, or movement with ruin II aligns with it falling off. Shit hits the fan that's out of your control (co-heals in a pug group dies to a mechanic) and you don't have 2 stacks, to save both the Tank from a buster and a raid wide AOE? Easy! Dissipate Indom, Lustrate! If you can return your co-healer in those 30 seconds, to healing condition, your gambit succeeded. If you had never used it in the first place, you would have suffered a Party wide or tank death.

Dissipation is staving off death with sacrifice in situations like that, but it's also about maximizing your assets during downtime. If they wanna buff it, go ahead, but its not a bad skill. Its Aetherflow on Demand.

Dissipation has saved my raid group when learning gordias savage a few times. What can be done in such a short period of time with the use of this skill is pretty amazing to be honest . I think it was A2S progression that showed me how powerful this skill can be.

[Rawrz]

Sometimes, those 2 seconds are all you need to keep everyone alive. Lustrate is worth an Adlo in MP (1060.) Indom is worth a Succor and then some (1326). 30 more seconds of living gives you more time to recover mp. There is more than one way to conserve MP, Energy Drain (884 MP) isn't the only way. 9/10 times Ill be using Selene, so Fey Illumination is irrelevant and you don't use Dissipation for the Healing bonus. You use it for the stacks. Personally for A6s on Brawler, precast Shadow Flare, pop Fey Wind, burn my aetherflow on Energy Drains, Dissipate, then swift summon back when Bio, Aero, or movement with ruin II aligns with it falling off. Shit hits the fan that's out of your control (co-heals in a pug group dies to a mechanic) and you don't have 2 stacks, to save both the Tank from a buster and a raid wide AOE? Easy! Dissipate Indom, Lustrate! If you can return your co-healer in those 30 seconds, to healing condition, your gambit succeeded. If you had never used it in the first place, you would have suffered a Party wide or tank death.

Dissipation is staving off death with sacrifice in situations like that, but it's also about maximizing your assets during downtime. If they wanna buff it, go ahead, but its not a bad skill. Its Aetherflow on Demand.

[Nekotee]

Same
Second Alexander was the first fight were dissipation appear to be useful

Then later, on thordan to fairy swap and enhanced shield before ultimate
(Fey illumination + dissipation + mantra + convalescence on war + crit = wet pants crit)
Same goes for sephirot adds phase where healing is not quite intensive if DPS are not dumb

[Gallus]

Gonna go once again against the tide here, been thinking about this spell, and the more I try to find ways to maximize its utility the more I find myself seeing how much you can screw yourself up.

The 20% boosted heals are a pretty irrelevant bonus, so you are most likely using dissipation for the triple aetherflow:

1 - Somebody dies a few seconds later dissipation's been used. That person must be raised. If you swiftraise them, you can't swift your fairy 30 seconds later and will have to do it manually, loss > gain. If a DPS raises them (SMN) they stop DPSing for an entire CD, loss > gain. If your main healer raises them, not only your party is compromised, your main healer's mana is gonna take a hit (could be bad or not, but it won't be ever good). Either way if something goes wrong you are creating a mess for 3 stacks of aetherflow and making up for that mistake is gonna cost you 4 times those stacks most likely in the form of DPS loss, best scenario that is (worst scenario you'll wipe).


2 - Somebody dies after you've swiftcasted your fairy after those 30 seconds of inability to use her. Again, your swiftcast is not ready, and you either have someone rezz that person or you do it yourself manually. Loss > gain.

3 - Your WHM/AST (Main healer) can take care of all the healing, and I don't doubt it, but human mistakes happen, downtimes of 30 seconds are pretty rare, but downtimes of 1 minute and a half do not exist. 1 minute and a half is exactly the amount of time you give up on your swiftcast for 3 aetherflows (4-5k damage), unless we don't take into account swiftcasting the fairy after those 30s of Dissipation.

30 seconds without your fairy and an entire minute and 30 seconds without swiftcast, I strongly feel that there is a far greater chance that something can go wrong in those 90 seconds rather than wiping a 10 million boss because you lacked 4k DPS.
I know playing with the premise that something will always go wrong is a very wrong premise, but when you are trading 1 for a potential 10 to mess up, I feel it's far from worth it.

If I had to describe this spell with a phrase, I'd probably go with something like "Setting up for failure".