Machinist needs serious attention

[LittleArrow]

Basically, this needs immediate attention, SE. No waiting for 2-3 patches and do one simple thing that does not help. It needs a WAR like makeover.

That's my greatest fear, that SE will wait a few patches (a few months to half a year) to adjust this. The easiest thing to do for now is just up all of the potencies. Change split shot to 150, slug shot to 200-240, and cleaner shot to 300-340. At least give us higher potencies so we can be on par with our tanks for goodness sakes. The turret imo was there to compensate our RNG to some degree and lack of dots compared to BRD. If they don't want to up our potencies then up that turret damage to 100 or 120.

Otherwise, I'm a hindrance to my coil group than an active member. I shouldn't be punished for having more to do, I should be rewarded as a player. Also, if those numbers seem ZOMGAH OP, just look at the potencies of other jobs. Sure their gear may not scale like ours, but like a previous poster said, our weapons are the lowest damaging weapons in the game. At this point, if SE wants to argue about our damage, at least give me some cures so I can be more of a help to the party.

[Velhart]

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In design, the job is great. I think the biggest issue lies in potency and the RNG weapon skills. The thing with MCH is (I am lv.60 with ilvl180 weapon and currently ilvl172) is that while we have good burst damage, we immediately have trouble sustaining the DPS in comparison to other classes and it drops quick when you are hitting Split Shot the entire time and after 8 shots (yes this has happened to me) and I finally get procc'ed for the 2nd combo. This is over the top ridiculous and my entire DPS check is completely depended on the game and not my ability to play the job. No job should ever be designed and balanced where the game decides if you should do good or not. Honestly, they should take out the RNG portion all together, make it a proper 1 > 2 > 3 combo and balance it out where we are the same damage range as BRD. Also as everyone has mentioned, that the job is way more complex and difficult than BRD and gives less in return. It is an insult really, I just can't imagine someone at SE saying this is okay. Anyone who plays the job for a few minutes can already feel how less significant it is to BRD.

Thankfully I have a time window to get BRD to 60. It will be tough, but I need to be able to alternate between the two jobs. I know MCH will -eventually- get fixed, but it is not fair to my fellow static members that we can't push DPS as far as we can because I am determined to keep a job in there that will not put out.It is sad really because I have always wanted a job like this, so hopefully SE will fix this quick so I can play it in raids. Same time, maybe I am overreacting and can make it work in raids depending on how it is set up. I guess we will see soon.

Also, SE, you need to at least -acknowledge- that this there is an issue with BRD and MCH right now. We need to at least know that you see there is a problem.

[SaiahLynn]

It makes me incredibly sad that i devoted everything to MCH.. currently 55, and my WHM leveling partners Stone 3 does more DPS than I do

Why is my Paladin friend doing 100+more dps than me in the 55 dungeon?.. sigh... I am following the rotation with GB on and then off after first Clean Shot too.

Figured id just post here as well.. maybe it can get a little more attention.

[Atlaworks]

I love the aesthetic of machinists. It sucks that their damage is so low, but hey, gotta play for fun, right?

I'll just raid as something else, until it gets buffs. I don't mind dragging myself down, if I'm having fun(Though, I would say not as many people would enjoy it like I do considering the RNG on the 1-2-3 feels less like a reward and more like a tax). But I don't enjoy the idea of dragging others down in serious content, so I'll stick to monk for that until this gets fixed.

How to fix it without really changing much...? Maybe seperate the gun and the fashionable hip-cartridge aetherometer thingy, and make it offhand equipment like a paladin's shield? Then stuff extra weapon attack on that with other benefits. It's probably just better to buff the class in general though. Like, the numbers are bad, but the biggest problem is that you don't feel like the things you do are rewarding- it feels like they cut off chunks of a kit and made us use cooldowns or RNG to earn the same damage everyone else does.

One more thing I'd like to mention is the Turrets. We never received a "remove Turret" skill that we were promised. This isn't a major problem for Rook that doesn't really draw aggro, but for Bishop I've had many problems in the open world with it attacking and aggroing monsters that I did not want to fight. Currently the best solution to this is to recast the turret as Rook and move it somewhere else. But I would like the option to remove it completely. You can dismiss summons, companions, and minions, so why not turrets too?

We do have that actually, you get it when you get your Rook. It just doesn't tell you, for some reason. Check your skill list!

[aerialrave]

We do have that actually, you get it when you get your Rook. It just doesn't tell you, for some reason. Check your skill list!

I found it, thanks! Don't know why I didn't see that before.... I checked twice! I'll make sure to put this to good use from now on.

[Avenger]

Over time I expect more players will discover ways to play MCH (not to mention AST and DRK) extremely effectively. Although the dev team has obviously tested it out and believes it to be balanced and viable, they will have tons more data coming in which may lead to changes in the future. It looks OK to me, based on what I've seen of players playing it, but who knows?

An aspect of MMOs that I really enjoy is the "players vs. the dev team" - basically all players in the game are trying to figure out what the heck the dev team was thinking and how to exploit it, while the dev team is keeping it all secret. ;-)

[LittleArrow]

Yeah anyway you shake it, it just doesn't make sense for our dmg to be so low and also for the job to be so overly convoluted.

[LittleArrow]

Yeah, but BRD dots don't get turned completely off when they play their songs, just diminished damage, and that damage was lowered from 20% to 15% at that

[EdwinLi]

Yeah, but BRD dots don't get turned completely off when they play their songs, just diminished damage, and that damage was lowered from 20% to 15% at that

Well that is what the 20% damage loss is for MCH. In exchange for MP/TP regen the turrets no long attack.