Machinist needs serious attention

[Fantasy9]

Where in the blazes do you think they *got* those numbers?

I know they got them from parsing. I was merely pointing out that posters that post threads with dos numbers are either pulling them out of their rear end or admitting to using parsing software which could get them banned and if they are lying about the numbers then they are just complaining.

[Krylo]

I know they got them from parsing. I was merely pointing out that posters that post threads with dos numbers are either pulling them out of their rear end or admitting to using parsing software which could get them banned and if they are lying about the numbers then they are just complaining.

Or have gotten them from other sites where people use parsers/post parses, such as reddit. You know, like the original post that listed the numbers said.

[Fantasy9]

Considering MCH feels too similar to BRD(my main job) I haven't started leveling it, unlocked it but haven't messed with it since so I can't compare it to my 52 BRD. If I could sync it to 30 on a test dummy I would.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

DRK needs serious buffs as well to fix the clunkiness.

[Fantasy9]

One last thing, you are complaining about MCH skills, just doing the first job quest I used more skills than I do on my 52 BRD. I use 6 skills on my BRD Windbite/Venomous every 25-30secs, Bloodletter whenever it is up, Misery when it is usable, Straight shot when it procs from heavy shot, and Heavy shot which is the skill that every BRD is forced to spam. So do not whine about having chain skills when there are jobs that don't have that luxury of variety.

[LittleArrow]

So do not whine about having chain skills when there are jobs that don't have that luxury of variety.

First of all, I don't think you're reading these posts. No one is complaining about having chainskills, we're complaining about not having them b/c of RNG. Secondly, if you're saying we're complaining about the effort we're putting into MCH not resulting in its output, then point blank BRD does more DPS with the fewer skills it uses than the numerous skills MCH have to use.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, but you post reads more like you're complaining about BRD in comparison to MCH than recognizing that both classes seem to have been mishandled. You don't have to slam complaints people are having about one class to validate your own.

[Ocean4]

I would just like to mention, that the potencies on WHM might be higher. If MCN don't use buffs and use equivalent gear at level 60, I'd be willing to argue that a WHM might be able to out damage a MCN or come close.

Stone III has a potency of 210
(don't use Aero I on a target dummy with a total potency of only 200)
Aero II has a total potency of 250 over 12 seconds
Aero III has a total potency of 290 over 24 seconds
Fluid Aura has a potency of 150 refreshed every 30 seconds
Assize has a total Potency of 300 refreshed ever 60 seconds

Assuming that a whm refreshes the dots at the exact time the drop and uses fluid aura/assize at the exact time they are available, let's take the lowest common denominator for cooldowns. We can use this to find out a rough estimate of optimal PPS average of a WHM. This comes out to 2 minutes (or 120 seconds). Second let's figure out how many Stone III fillers we'll have. 120 seconds / 3 second GCD (note this is not the actually GCD, however for all intensive purposes we can say that we will get this or MORE stone III's over time) = 40. Then we can subtract the GCD's taken up by Aero III and Aero II (15. See below). So roughly we have 25 or MORE Stone III's over the course of 2 minutes.

Over 120 seconds we have:
2 Assize (300 * 2 = 600 combined potency)
4 Fluid Aura (150 * 4 = 600 combined potency)
5 Aero III (290 * 5 = 1450 combined potency)
10 Aero II (250 * 10 = 2500 combined potency)
25 Stone III's (210 * 25 = 5250 combined potency)

This brings us to a rough (likely higher) total of 10,400 total potency. If we want a rough estimate of PPS, let's divide it by the 120 seconds we did our theory-crafting with. This is approximately 86.67 pps (potency per second).

I have yet to see any math, but I'd argue that without major buffs the pps on MCN might be just higher or equal to WHM. Have you ever thought you might get beaten by a healer in dps? Well, you might just get beat now with how poor MCN's damage looks right now.

~Ocean

Disclaimer: If my math is wrong, I can do some simulations to find the true number of Stone III's over 2 minutes and add in doing the cd's fluid aura and assize at the 2 minute mark (which is not included because they would end up slightly over 2 minutes, 0 minute and 1 minute mark are the only included).

[Fantasy9]

Ocean4, Are you taking into consideration your cast times?

[Ocean4]

Of course. Cast times are less than that of GCD and I was using GCD's (because one can't recast until the GCD is over). I can do heavy simulations to find the true number of Stone III's and include the extra Assize and Fluid aura into the damage calculation if you wish, but note that the PPS will go up not down.

[FaileExperiment]

Please let Ocean4 turn out to be incorrect!