SE,we Mac users do not deserve this third class treatment!

[AmaiHanakaze]

Point is, the OP's machine has outdated hardware. He's using an Intel GPU (THIS IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE) and is upset the game runs like crap. Well, upgrade. If it was a PC, most of us probably would have asked for more details and given him or her a reasonably priced GPU they could swap out and use to play the game well until they could afford a better Windows machine but, being the GPU is part of the MOBO and the CPU itself, they're S.O.L. And this is another reason why, Laptops, Mac or PC suck for gaming.

The OP stated in a later reply that he's using the dGPU GeForce 650M model, which is the same GPU my MBP has. Thus my response earlier that a majority of us Mac users in this thread are not idiots and have posted specs using a dGPU model. I'd be as quick to laugh off an Intel iGPU user as anyone else.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

And this is another reason why, Laptops, Mac or PC suck for gaming.

That's only if you're the kind of person who just buys whatever's on the store shelf and that's it. Store bought, or any cheaply made computers in general, make it difficult or outright impossible to upgrade. Someone who wants to seriously game on a PC would do some research beforehand. I built my PC recently and it made playing this game so much sweeter compared to the old 2011 dinosaur PC I was using that was pre built. PC for games can be fantastic, but you have to put in a bit of effort to get the results you want from your games. Laptops are a whole other story I won't get into.

[AmaiHanakaze]

They do use proprietary other connections which 90% of the time bomb because they're a PITA for users to have to shop for when they already had the LAST model "new thing" from Apple.

I'll totally give you that, buying thunderbolt stuff was a PITA and expensive xD

Regarding my PC laptop buying, most of my experience has been with HP / Dell (through my day job). The Dells have been better in general... the one they have me with now is pretty solid and nice honestly. My first HP had an issue where the soldering of the power jack broke... so it literally got the point where it had to be plugged in a certain way or it would shut off... eew.

My second HP just eventually went crazy and the HDMI port stopped working, and random bluescreens. It also overheated and throttled all the time... a cooling pad helped but wasn't enough. I eventually found out how to undervolt the CPU and that seemed to help, but I feel I shouldn't have had to go that far to solve it to begin with.

So I tried a MacBook Air after the second HP. It was super tiny and portable and I never had any trouble with it. I pretty much gave it to my girlfriend once I bought the pro. Still works just fine, and she's a lot less careful with hardware than I am heh ><

Regardless of one's hardware I think it's just important to know the limitations on it. If I read a post here with a Air user complaining about not being able to game on their Mac, then it would be "well, you're using Intel 5000 graphics, you're not going to be able to play no matter what you do with that." But most of what I'm reading is Mac users with machines that have a GeForce 650M or higher spec card and they're still having issues. So in that case, it's more like "well, this wrapper is a piece of Opo-Opo poo and yeah, your machine could Boot Camp FFXIV just fine so the actual software offering shouldn't suck this bad."

And the reason I spoke out about the haters is because we actually have machines that CAN play games. No, we're not going to max FPS on high settings but the hardware exceeds the minimum requirements.

( And admittedly, the comment about PC laptops falling apart was off and said because of frustration ^^; )

[SulwynCaliope]

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The problem is that mac users paid the EXACT same amount of money as PC/ PS4 users for a crap product. If SE had given away mac clients for free, then they wouldn't be upset right now. Is it in, any way, shape or form, acceptable that they should be asked to pay TWICE just to get a product that functions at a reasonable standard? SE should issue all mac users an apology and a refund immediately because the client is almost unplayable as it is right now. They paid $60 for the same bundle that pc and ps4 users did, why should their money not take them as far as platforms?

[Delily]

That's likecomplaining to Sony that they need to make a console version of a game for an XBONE or 360 or PC that works just as well on the PS.

It's created by a third party as was mentioned previously in another post. If it worked on what they used to test the game on at SE HQ then, it works for them it should work for others. However, just like some Windows owners have issues while the majority of the PC players are windows players, there are still problems. You don't see those people on the forums complaining. They, may complain but they aren't blaming SE. They have machine issues or network issue or outdated machines *cough cough* like the OP.

Point is, the OP's machine has outdated hardware. He's using an Intel GPU (THIS IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE) and is upset the game runs like crap. Well, upgrade. If it was a PC, most of us probably would have asked for more details and given him or her a reasonably priced GPU they could swap out and use to play the game well until they could afford a better Windows machine but, being the GPU is part of the MOBO and the CPU itself, they're S.O.L. And this is another reason why, Laptops, Mac or PC suck for gaming.

It's more widespread then the OP.
According to this: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...rs#post3062162,
someone ran the client on the this: http://store.apple.com/us_smb_78313/...A&step=config# with the highest GPU available.
And got similar performance.

[Delily]

The problem is that mac users paid the EXACT same amount of money as PC/ PS4 users for a crap product. If SE had given away mac clients for free, then they wouldn't be upset right now. Is it in, any way, shape or form, acceptable that they should be asked to pay TWICE just to get a product that functions at a reasonable standard? SE should issue all mac users an apology and a refund immediately because the client is almost unplayable as it is right now. They paid $60 for the same bundle that pc and ps4 users did, why should their money not take them as far as platforms?

Honestly, I don't want a refund. I want them to acknowledge the issue to start with.

[Strifex]

Just stopping in here to show my support for the poor mac users out there. As someone who plays a lot of MMOs and has played on gaming pcs and MacBook pros, a native client makes a world of difference (example: WoW Mac Client) and FFXIV players deserve the kind of experience a native client provides. Good luck to all the Mac players out there, I hope SE optimizes the wrapper client or provides you with a native one!

[Kirito]

Is square-enix developing this client? Maybe it is developed by an outside programmer and that is why it is taking them so long to respond?

[Delily]

Transgaming, which just got bought by nVidia.

[LeonWhitehart]

Just stopping in here to show my support for the poor mac users out there. As someone who plays a lot of MMOs and has played on gaming pcs and MacBook pros, a native client makes a world of difference (example: WoW Mac Client) and FFXIV players deserve the kind of experience a native client provides. Good luck to all the Mac players out there, I hope SE optimizes the wrapper client or provides you with a native one!

Really appreciate your support. But so far we have heard nothing from anyone from SE. And the good thing is I am getting used to the slide-show gameplay on Mac client. hehe