SE,we Mac users do not deserve this third class treatment!

[AmaiHanakaze]

Actually, I've seen that mentioned throughout this thread. Things said such as, Macs aren't really meant for gaming. Stick to using them for graphic design etc etc etc... so your hate on those of us using a PC is misdirected. Even though you say you're not a PC hater that pretty much states you are.

Not sure how I can be a PC hater with a decent overclocked i5 rig hooked up to my TV. I only stated the truth; every non-Mac laptop I've owned has fallen apart or been unreliable on me after a few years. When it comes to desktops, I wouldn't do anything but a PC because most of the time you can build a PC for a single purpose and thus specialize the design to fit the task. I have a dedicated media PC, a dedicated gaming PC, and I run a Windows file server at my place.

When I want to specialize my hardware for a specific purpose, PCs are great.

When I want a reliable laptop with a standard build and no guesses on what's inside of it, I'll buy a Mac.

[Geesus]

I only stated the truth; every non-Mac laptop I've owned has fallen apart or been unreliable on me after a few years.
When I want a reliable laptop with a standard build and no guesses on what's inside of it, I'll buy a Mac.

Okay fair enough. However, I don't know what laptops you're buying where they fall apart on you every few years. I have owned the same Asus G60Vx laptop since 2009 and it's had no issues. Then again, I take care of my stuff. Not saying you don't but, saying every Windows based LT is a POS basically is a very general and untrue statement.

As far as knowing what's in your Mac ... it's the same hardware. Plain and simple. The ONLY difference with a Mac and a windows based PC or LT is the OS. That's it. Oh. And the ridiculous price Apple asks for because they use X material as their case body. Otherwise, Intel CPUs, Samsung (lol at the irony) RAM 90% of the time and a brand of SSD if you go that route. The parts are the same. They do use proprietary other connections which 90% of the time bomb because they're a PITA for users to have to shop for when they already had the LAST model "new thing" from Apple.

[AmaiHanakaze]

They do use proprietary other connections which 90% of the time bomb because they're a PITA for users to have to shop for when they already had the LAST model "new thing" from Apple.

I'll totally give you that, buying thunderbolt stuff was a PITA and expensive xD

Regarding my PC laptop buying, most of my experience has been with HP / Dell (through my day job). The Dells have been better in general... the one they have me with now is pretty solid and nice honestly. My first HP had an issue where the soldering of the power jack broke... so it literally got the point where it had to be plugged in a certain way or it would shut off... eew.

My second HP just eventually went crazy and the HDMI port stopped working, and random bluescreens. It also overheated and throttled all the time... a cooling pad helped but wasn't enough. I eventually found out how to undervolt the CPU and that seemed to help, but I feel I shouldn't have had to go that far to solve it to begin with.

So I tried a MacBook Air after the second HP. It was super tiny and portable and I never had any trouble with it. I pretty much gave it to my girlfriend once I bought the pro. Still works just fine, and she's a lot less careful with hardware than I am heh ><

Regardless of one's hardware I think it's just important to know the limitations on it. If I read a post here with a Air user complaining about not being able to game on their Mac, then it would be "well, you're using Intel 5000 graphics, you're not going to be able to play no matter what you do with that." But most of what I'm reading is Mac users with machines that have a GeForce 650M or higher spec card and they're still having issues. So in that case, it's more like "well, this wrapper is a piece of Opo-Opo poo and yeah, your machine could Boot Camp FFXIV just fine so the actual software offering shouldn't suck this bad."

And the reason I spoke out about the haters is because we actually have machines that CAN play games. No, we're not going to max FPS on high settings but the hardware exceeds the minimum requirements.

( And admittedly, the comment about PC laptops falling apart was off and said because of frustration ^^; )