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  1. #261
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    DK should be DA stupid auto correct
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  2. #262
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drtoxicmedica View Post
    . Imo if your using DK on C&S but losing out on 2 SE it's not really worth it
    That doesn't make sense. They both cost one Dark Arts to boost. Boosting C&S gets you 350 potency gained over the 100 C&S normally gives. DA Souleater only gives 160 of a boosted potency (240 normally, 400 with DA). C&S restores exactly half of a Dark Arts in terms of mana (About 800-850). You would not lose out on 2 souleaters because C&S only ever returns enough mana for HALF of a Dark Arts. Which means DA Souleater comes to 240 potency vs C&S 300 if you add half of a DA SE to a full DA SE. Or you could look at it is using C&S twice to get one more DA SE, which is obviously not worth it.

    It's ALWAYS better to use DA C&S instead of DA Souleater. DA C&S > Dark Passenger vs 1 target > DA SE is just how the math works out.

    The only time I'd ever use C&S without DA is if I messed up managing my mana and got too low to handle a boss mechanic, such as burning all my MP and not having enough to Dark Arts Dark Mind in AS1. But I just try to not do that and stay one step ahead.
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  3. #263
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawson_Grey View Post
    That doesn't make sense. They both cost one Dark Arts to boost. Boosting C&S gets you 350 potency gained over the 100 C&S normally gives. DA Souleater only gives 160 of a boosted potency (240 normally, 400 with DA). C&S restores exactly half of a Dark Arts in terms of mana (About 800-850). You would not lose out on 2 souleaters because C&S only ever returns enough mana for HALF of a Dark Arts. Which means DA Souleater comes to 240 potency vs C&S 300 if you add half of a DA SE to a full DA SE. Or you could look at it is using C&S twice to get one more DA SE, which is obviously not worth it.

    It's ALWAYS better to use DA C&S instead of DA Souleater. DA C&S > Dark Passenger vs 1 target > DA SE is just how the math works out.

    The only time I'd ever use C&S without DA is if I messed up managing my mana and got too low to handle a boss mechanic, such as burning all my MP and not having enough to Dark Arts Dark Mind in AS1. But I just try to not do that and stay one step ahead.
    DA+SE isn't even really worth 140 extra potency. If you weren't using DA + SE you'd be using Delerium (dps purposes only) which is 280 pot. So DA + SE is really only adding 120pot.
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  4. #264
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giantbane View Post
    DA+SE isn't even really worth 140 extra potency. If you weren't using DA + SE you'd be using Delerium (dps purposes only) which is 280 pot. So DA + SE is really only adding 120pot.
    Good point! You wouldn't ever use regular SE anyway, which puts DA C&S and Dark Passenger even further ahead in terms of MP priority.
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  5. #265
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    You mention a DE rotation for MP replenishment but you didn't specify what DE was and list it several times. I'm trying to understand this guide but I'm a little lost. Here are a few examples where you mention DE but there's no examination what you mean by It

    2. The DE rotation is your second highest DPS rotation at 680 potency. This should be used if you need to replenish some MP and/or if you need to keep the -10% INT buff up

    Do I need to recoup MP? Chill out with a few DE rotations to maintain DPS and get some MP back


    Can you revise this and add DE and what it means. Thanks!
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  6. #266
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    DE = Delirium. In the OP it's suppose to be DL but players on here are interchanging
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  7. #267
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    Just for the giggles, could you guys try out INT accessories in 4-man/8-man raids (the latter being obviously survival/crit melded but obviously just in 4-man to tread possibly thin ice?) My DRK friend tells me it admittedly immediately provides noticeable differences in AOE damage, thereby almost doubling self healing.

    It's a fun/interesting idea.


    Out of my own ignorance I've almost spread misinformation regard my post, I've been informed the above suggestion does not work at all for anything. I apologize.
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    Last edited by Shining_Tiger_Excalibur; 09-05-2015 at 11:29 PM.

  8. #268
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shining_Tiger_Excalibur View Post
    Just for the giggles, could you guys try out INT accessories in 4-man/8-man raids (the latter being obviously survival/crit melded but obviously just in 4-man to tread possibly thin ice?) My DRK friend tells me it admittedly immediately provides noticeable differences in AOE damage, thereby almost doubling self healing.

    It's a fun/interesting idea.
    No Shining, we already debunked the INT not working in the other thread. :P

    Guys, don't try INT on DRK!
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  9. #269
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    I was just ahead of you Phoenicia but not far enough lol.
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  10. #270
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawson_Grey View Post
    Good point! You wouldn't ever use regular SE anyway, which puts DA C&S and Dark Passenger even further ahead in terms of MP priority.
    If your talking out of tank stance yeah C&S always used with dark arts however in grit without blood weapon I tend to only use it if I have Hugh mp at the time simply because I'd prefer getting healed a bit since I tend to play very aggressive in terms of my hp. It's really only 50 potency more than buffed soul eater. In grit if I have the mp I'll dark arts it other wise I prefer to just SE more often. There's no difference in any of my parses prioritizing either in fights.
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