Bard - they broke my job

[Duelle]

you like a standing bard? go to wow and play a hunter but then again guess why wow lost so many players again because hunter was the same as bard.

Erm...not. It's not the same. And WoW lost players because they promised a bunch of stuff for their expansion and either cut the stuff they promised or did shady shit with stuff people wanted (see: the flight debacle).

WoW hunters have two advantages BRDs do not. One is that they can move while casting. Two being they have pets to supplement their damage output (but can spec into getting a damage bonus if they have no pet out).

Hunters also have a 1.5 GCD but very few off-GCD skills and are designed around a resource bar that fills and empties quickly, with certain skills increasing resource recovery. Their utility is in the form of party/raid buffs from their pets and traps that deal damage or inhibit enemies in some way.

Not saying BRD should be turned into a hunter, though SE might wanna take notes from how hunters function if they really don't know what they want to do with physical ranged DPS classes.

[Rose-Wild]

Please ignore that guy like i can't believe someone complains about the rain of death change when it's probably the only decent change we got in the expansion. And quick knock has been better for ages. The proc was so weird it wasn't worth it and the rain of death one happens way more often. They just need to change wide volley to do more damage because of costing more tp or give it the proc for quick knock.

[VraeliaValkyria]

Also, wanting to point out, on FB FFXIV groups...everyone is complaining that they miss the AoE rotation. It isn't just me. Sorry to speak the truth that people are wanting back their AoE free combos. Yes, they like the whole linked with Bloodletter bit, but...that doesn't justify taking away a completely nice free AoE rotation. Also, for 2 targets, you would only want to use Bloodletter, using RoD on 2, is redundant. I get like 4+. but, 2? No.

EDIT: Even those who main bard on Sargatanas also complains about this. People wants some of the OLD BARD back. New Bard is good and all, but take things away form old, isn't necessarily justifying the new.

[LenTsani]

Also, wanting to point out, on FB FFXIV groups...everyone is complaining that they miss the AoE rotation. It isn't just me. Sorry to speak the truth that people are wanting back their AoE free combos. Yes, they like the whole linked with Bloodletter bit, but...that doesn't justify taking away a completely nice free AoE rotation. Also, for 2 targets, you would only want to use Bloodletter, using RoD on 2, is redundant. I get like 4+. but, 2? No.

EDIT: Even those who main bard on Sargatanas also complains about this. People wants some of the OLD BARD back. New Bard is good and all, but take things away form old, isn't necessarily justifying the new.

It hasn't been more efficient to do anything but spam Quick Nock since 2.0. The chances of Wide Volley procs made it extremly unlikely that you would come out ahead in terms of TP per potency. The only valid excuse for Wide Volley is laziness of positioning.

[HeavensSword]

Also, for 2 targets, you would only want to use Bloodletter, using RoD on 2, is redundant. I get like 4+. but, 2? No.

Bloodletter is 150 potency single target. RoD being 100 potency on 2 targets = 200 potency. I don't play BRD though, so maybe I'm missing something.

[yamochan]

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at this point i dont rly get why anyone would complain about that change cause with all the crit we get for free just dot the targets and hammer your more free aoes that u get. i dont see the problem in multidotting while casting free stuff that doesnt effect the global cd but i guess some ppl are complaining just for the sake of doing so. bards aoe got better after 3.0 we only need a link between quick nock and wide volley

[kalasnikov]

you are weird. 2 or more targets= rain of death is stronger than blood letter and you still have 2 aoe abilities to spam. wide volley has its uses as it has longer range, but on big dungeon pulls quick knock indeed is superior now( less tp, bigger aoe, but needs to be closer than wide volley). Rain of deah is actually really good now, which is a welcome change compared to old Rain of death.

Now just give back the mobility and remove cast times, and i am happy. Screw Wanderer's Minuet!

[Elurra]

I think the simplest solution is to allow auto attacks during WM. WM should be a straight 20% dps increase for the inconvenience of standing still and a cast time. Adding in a dps decrease by taking away auto attacks (estimated at around 20%) just makes it a push at best.

[Arrik]

I think the simplest solution is to allow auto attacks during WM. WM should be a straight 20% dps increase for the inconvenience of standing still and a cast time. Adding in a dps decrease by taking away auto attacks (estimated at around 20%) just makes it a push at best.

I have a feeling it's going to go the same way Shield Oath and Defiance did. When those abilities were x2 Enmity it was a push with the enmity from the damage they were losing. It was then bumped to x3. So probably 25-30% damage increase on WM and no casting time for it. But what worries me is Yoshi-P's statement makes it sound like the overall dps numbers are fine as they are, which means he's going to take that damage increase from somewhere. At least that's the vibe I got.

[Lyaha]

Probably should be said on every page, if people wanted to play a BLM, they'd play a BLM.

You want cast time, play a caster, want a hybrid, play a machinist, it's a new class so it's perfect for new ideas as long as they work properly, which they currently don't.