Bard - they broke my job

[Snowaeth]

Yup, this is about right. The argument for using Bloodletter in an AoE situation makes absolutely no sense. Of COURSE you're going to want to prioritize RoD over Bloodletter when you're hitting 3 or more targets. Why wouldn't you? It's waaaay more potency in a single attack.

It's so effective, in fact, that I've regularly been seeing BRDs out-dps my MCH in AoE situations despite everything MCH has going for it (AoE turret with 0 TP or MP cost, reload adding additional potency to AoE attacks, Rapid Fire allowing for MASSIVE Flare-style AoE burst). This is absolutely not something worth complaining about. If anything, you should be glad it exists. Free AoE procs! Huge damage potential for 0 TP cost!

The only questionable thing is why Wide Volley still exists when Quick Nock is better. I don't think they thought that one through properly.

Actually you want to RoD with 2 targets already that's 200 potency vs 150 of BL

[Viar]

Actually you want to RoD with 2 targets already that's 200 potency vs 150 of BL

This. There's literally no meaning in using 2.x rotation on 2+ targets anymore.

[Tua]

The only questionable thing is why Wide Volley still exists when Quick Nock is better. I don't think they thought that one through properly.

It's only useful when running into range for using QN (assuming you already put up the SS and dots whilst the tank was gathering up mobs), but yeah, some additional effect for it would be nice. It's so lonely now.

I just love the new free RoDs, even if I hate pretty much everything 3.0 did to bards. That was a change that made the class feel fresh and more fluid and fun to play, but all that rubbish we gained after level 50... {No thanks}

[yamochan]

all that rubbish we gained after level 50... {No thanks}

well sidewinder is at least one good thing we got but it alone cant compensate the rest.

[SonTensei]

I'd rather take WM with 10% buff instead of 20% and not lose mobility than be a turret.

[Viar]

Makes more sense than Haymaker.

[yamochan]

oh boy do i really after years of mmo history have to explain how class balancing works?
you cant just throw some rnd dmg numbers at the class until the playerbase says stop. first they need to fix the bard as a whole and that is basicly what they said when posting that the will adress the mobility issue and WM.
after the fixed that and it works then we get more dmg on our skills so that once again we will be only a little bit behind the rest and our songs are again considered a buff and not a reason to justify a bard in the grp.

so and now just a quick shoutout to the ppl who actually like the bowmage: plz visit the nearest blackmage guild master of your choice because he will teach you how to mage around so u can stand and cast all the skills you (n)ever wished to have. while you do that i will run around the boss like a mad man cause im a frigging bard and that means im a mobility class.

[Arrik]

so and now just a quick shoutout to the ppl who actually like the bowmage: plz visit the nearest blackmage guild master of your choice because he will teach you how to mage around so u can stand and cast all the skills you (n)ever wished to have. while you do that i will run around the boss like a mad man cause im a frigging bard and that means im a mobility class.

Please visit the nearest training dummy to learn how to stand still for less than a second and a half. Bard w/ WM is not even close to BLM or the title "Bow Wizard." Casting times on BLM are at least one and a half times, and guess what, you can't turn it off! Not to mention BLM is the reason elemental resistances will never be important.

Should Bard have mobility? Yes.
Should Bard have damage? Yes.
Should those two happen at the same time? No.

This is one thing Yoshi-P needs to stick to his guns on. WM should be required to do good dps, and dropped only when you need mobility. Not used as an opener then dropped the rest of the fight. The main damage ability. People aren't going to like this, but I also think Sidewinder not requiring WM is a mistake.

It's not being deleted, MCH having the same ability shows its gonna be still be here. It just needs to be good enough to be used.

And I like the new AoE rotation, but they need to do something with Wide Volley.

[yamochan]

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so why in the world would u think that i can only guess ur a new bard because we had enough dmg before 3.0. bard got nerfed 3 times before 3.0 because we had the dmg.
so should we still have it with the mobility? goddamn yes we should its bards playstyle!

just a little reference:
you like a standing bard? go to wow and play a hunter but then again guess why wow lost so many players again because hunter was the same as bard.
it was a movement class AND the most played class in the game. it got changed just like bard did into a very standing heavy class. guess what happened after 6 months of arguing just the way we are doing it here? the players had enough and jumped ship.
you can belive that from a former and still raidleader. if you hear it every week how stupid your class has become and much disapointment players expirience because hunter was changed that way, you can even understand them for going away.
now let some time pass here it will be the same

[Arrik]

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It's cute you think that I'm a new Bard, and attacking me instead of discussing the ability and changes. We were nerfed not because our dps was high, it was because our sustained dps while moving beat the turrets dps while trying to do the same thing. We have always been a bit lower on dps when turrets have been able to stand still, and the way WD has been scaling is making it worse. We should not being able to move like a 2.0 Bard and dps better than a turret, but as soon as we go turret we should be much closer than we currently are. No one would be forcing you to use WM, but you shouldn't out dps a turret without it.

Edit: I like mobility Bard. I like turret Bard. Turret Bard's dps is too low to be turret (and is lower than mobility Bard in actual fights) and needs to be fixed, and should be the primary form of damage. If you don't like it, turn it off and do less dps.