Bard - they broke my job

[Aiselia]

in general BRD is in about the same place relatively as it was in 2.x

Which then leads to the question of why WM needs the downside of cast times if it is only putting Bards at the same relative point that they were at before.

[yamochan]

I want to ask... how do some bard hit 1k+ dps obn Faust on Alex 1 savage? Last night I was attempting Faust with my static and we wipe at 20%. The team have both a blm and a smn so naturally i started off with Foe + BV. I was ilvl 183 using food but no dex pot. Some say my parse is around 850 ish and the rest of the dps are around 1k.

i parse in at around 1000 to 1100 right now with same ilvl (no ravana weapon) but using the pot might depend on the group since i got a NIN in it and ofc you have to use a good rotaion. still im not great with the new bard right now lets 1.2 is possible as the other showed us XD
the thing is since we are using a buffer grp setup our BLM and SMN are around 1.3-1.4 k so i still feel weak because faust is one thing: its a standing fight its a raidbuffed puppet once the movement starts the number will dropp i guess -.-

as for the casttime thing i think SE thinks we bards run around like idiots the whole fight thats why now we need to blackmage (irony on) plus they cant buff the bard dmg that would be stupid cause we are not dmg dealers (irony off)

[aabe]

Which then leads to the question of why WM needs the downside of cast times if it is only putting Bards at the same relative point that they were at before.

Cause it gives BRD something that actually gives them a semblance of scaling that they didn't have before.
Everyone got new stuff sure but BRD has zero scaling. If SE were to have added anything to BRD it would have had to be super OP for it to be where it is right now, because otherwise gear scaling would pull melee far far far way farther ahead. I said this wayyyyy earlier in the thread but buff uptime like MNK GL+DK+TwS, HT+Disembowel, etc. All make it so that, if WM didn't exist, adding 100 ilvls would only put melee and BRD farther and farther apart.

Like to be honest they didn't really have a way to do that with anything besides giving BRD a stance. With the community complaining about how BRD can strafe all over the place for free and never lose damage something like WM should've been expected ESPECIALLY after SE said they'd do something about it a long time ago.

[Lewtskie]

But I ll definitely not agree on how the bard change was handled.
It shows really bad design to me.
Not only because of the issues I mention above, but it also uses a copy pasted stance from another job, which lowers the option of class choice if you do not like that particular playstyle forced by this stance.
Let alone it being slapped on a job that has skills which will cause trouble with it unlike the other one that was designed around the stance.

From the beginning it was just blaring out that it was a rush job. They never even bothered to tweak the animations so the "charge" was with a knocked arrow; instead just 2 seconds of you holding the arrow in the quiver. The mechanical issues of WM combined with the utter uselessness of Warden's in any serious content just reeks of haphazardly slapping something together for the update.

I think that's what irks me the most, that it doesn't feel like BRD got anywhere near the same amount of attention as the other classes.

[yamochan]

With the community complaining about how BRD can strafe all over the place for free and never lose damage something like WM should've been expected ESPECIALLY after SE said they'd do something about it a long time ago.

the reason i cant and wont accept WM ,as it is, is pretty simple actually i played a lot of other mmos before and in all of those are classes that do the same thing bard did before 3.0 and in all those mmos said class is on par with the rest dmgwise and/or supportwise and can still avoid pretty much everything and NOONE was complaining about that.
wow did something to hunter were they have to stop from time to time to get energy and i was ok with that but thats it. i dont want to play melee and i dont want play static classes so bard was the perfect class and now it isnt anymore so ofc im pissed its only normal i would not even mind the casttimes if i could still move with them.

[Kiyyto]

WM sucks, bad.
It's true they gimped you on auto attack, but just don't use WM.

That's the best you can do, not fair, but that's all you got.

[yamochan]

WM sucks, bad.
It's true they gimped you on auto attack, but just don't use WM.

That's the best you can do, not fair, but that's all you got.

well but the simple truth is WM is stronger than playing without it so we basicly dont r´dont have a choice if you want max output

[Kiyyto]

well but the simple truth is WM is stronger than playing without it so we basicly dont r´dont have a choice if you want max output

It's a small DPS gain under optimal conditions and totally not worth the frustration, imo.

[Warlyx]

It's a small DPS gain under optimal conditions and totally not worth the frustration, imo.

small dps gain?.... far from it.

I agree that BRD HW skills feel rushed , and the animations are "meh" , just lookc around , how cool looking is SMN , DRG , WAR skills are...

now look at BRD , WM reaching arrow animation is lame , Iron Jaws wth is that? , Emp arrow is ok , Warden looks good but the skill is useless , and Sidewinder is dissapointing

SE can do better, hell even FFXI has better WS than FFXIV

[yamochan]

tap in and out is the best way i think we discussed that way back


also Sidewinder animation isnt that bad for an instant i rather think iron jaws should look cooler ... maybe like 20% cooler XD