Cleric stance needs change just for melding sake as healer

[Yhisa]

Currently as it stands healers are now using there materia slot to stack accurracy in order to reach caps to never miss

For WHM this effect all spells.... But for AST/SCH it only effect a few spells as few of there dots can never miss

So i propose a change to cleric stance... Remove the 10% bonus to potency.. And swap it to allow healers to never miss an attack on spells

This needs to be done asap because soon healers may be required to stack accuracy in raids just to push dps a little more or just to help out

Also it will allow us to have more diversity when melding

[RiceisNice]

How is it more diversity if yore literally taking out a meld option? Never mind that healers aren't required to dps in raids to meet check, it's a bonus at best. Otherwise why are they getting such special treatment that they shouldn't need accuracy to do the job of the other 2-4 party membets?

[_slowpoke_]

How is it more diversity if yore literally taking out a meld option?

Except melding Accuracy is currently not optional. It's basically required, and not just because the hit caps are so high compared to what little base accuracy healers have at the moment. For melds, Accuracy is - by far - the best stat in terms of return per materia slot (until you reach cap, obviously), especially given how we have basically no other ways to acquire Accuracy currently (short of wearing pentamelded VIT accessories). If you do not meld Accuracy, you are intentionally gimping yourself with suboptimal stats.

Never mind that healers aren't required to dps in raids to meet check, it's a bonus at best.

If you don't DPS in raids you are not a good healer, there's no other way to put it. There's literally no content in this game that requires full-time healing, and healer DPS not being required to meet DPS checks is no excuse to stand around doing nothing when you don't have to heal. Other roles don't get away with twiddling their thumbs for extended amounts of time, either, so why should healers? Remember the ABC: Always Be Casting.

Oh, and please don't even start with any "but a healer's job is to heal!" strawman arguments. Of course it is. No reasonable person will suggest you let people die just to push your own DPS. Keeping the group alive is the absolute bare minimum, your baseline, it's not even worth mentioning.

Otherwise why are they getting such special treatment that they shouldn't need accuracy to do the job of the other 2-4 party membets?

You're not doing anyone else's job when you DPS as a healer. You are doing your job, which is to assist the party, and that includes doing damage when you have the time (and you will have time). It's high time people got over this already, because it's unlikely to change in the foreseeable future. The game tells you that healers should DPS in multiple places, both explicitly (see signature) and implicitly (through mechanics and the way basically all fights are paced).

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

No reasonable person will suggest you let people die just to push your own DPS. Keeping the group alive is the absolute bare minimum, your baseline, it's not even worth mentioning.

Sure, no reasonable person would. Unfortunately, many players both in game and on the forums have little to no problems with leaving a DPS dead, regardless of the circumstances of it's death, whether it be a string of unavoidable AoE that both healers involved chose to DPS through regardless of DPS dying, or from a momentary misstep, or unexpected lag spike. Unfortunately, people that demand healers DPS also are those that are too lazy to properly perform their own tasks, choosing instead to shunt the majority of the damage dealing on a non DPS class because that's the path of least resistance. Now, a DPSing healer may be nice, but many times, such players are incapable of reacting to unexpected complications, or simply choose to ignore them in order to teach a poorly taught lesson. While in theory a healer should be good enough to DPS and keep everyone alive, such a situation is rarely, if ever, true in practice.

[Rawrz]

-DPS dies from mechanical failure
-Boss is at 5% health
-Choose to DPS over Hardcasting Raise to kill boss in the time it would take the DPS to be raised and killed

[Yhisa]

Cause healers dps if they able too... Give sephirot ex and example for main healer there only a few times u can dps freely without worrying about damage.... As off healer u always bouncing back nd forth between cleric stance and off healing

Healer dps is not very high vs DPS roles and for us to use our melds to stack for dps is a design flaw within the game... Tanks do not need accurracy at all... So healers should recieve same treatment... We are not a dps so why on earth must we stack a dps stat for healing where it could be used on stats to increase healing

This is a major issue ....healers should be using melds for more value materia like crit, det, spell speed or piety... Not stack accuracy just to add to dps

Even im starting to stack accuracy became i hate missing malefic!

[Ghishlain]

I'm gonna post this thread here that had a similar suggestion so you can review the responses.

My opinion on the matter is that while there is concern for accuracy issues in the future patches, giving the healer a free pass on the accuracy check is a bad idea. Why should a role who's primary function to maintain party health a pass on accuracy?

I'd personally rather see Cleric Stance give an Accuracy bonus that scale with our ilvl so the gap between our base Accuracy and the current Accuracy cap for the content is so grand.

Also...

Tanks do not need accurracy at all... So healers should recieve same treatment...

If you think Tank's don't need to have some semblance of accuracy to their job you are terribly mistaken.

[Irving]

Tanks do not need accurracy at all... So healers should recieve same treatment... We are not a dps so why on earth must we stack a dps stat for healing where it could be used on stats to increase healing

I have 2 problems with your argument but first I'll state that the current system is fine. Healers do not need accuracy to fulfill their primary role and that is to heal. Dps'ing is encouraged as an extra step regardless. The system right now allows you to either tune towards better healing with melds or towards optimizing both your supportive and offensive toolkit by melding accuracy. The choice is left to the player if they want to take either path.

The problems I have with your argument stems about tanks. Tank stance bonus to accuracy helps but it doesn't cover the spectrum. Without accuracy gear, tanks would not be able to hit as reliably and thus will not be able to generate enmity and thus do their role properly. Tanks are not innately 100% accurate in tank stance without help with said gear. This goes back to my previous point that Healing jobs do not require accuracy for their heals to land properly.

Is it unfortunate that the meta and situation prioritizes accuracy for those who want to be able to optimize for spot dps? Yes but you said it best:

We are not a dps so why on earth must we stack a dps stat for healing where it could be used on stats to increase healing

You are not a DPS and thus you do not need accuracy to perform your basic role.
You as a player took the optional route to go further, thus requiring you to meld outside of your jobs premier stats.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Tanks do not need accurracy at all...

I wanna say Tanks need to stack around 600 accuracy just to tank in Expert roulette. There's been a few times I've had to dancing edge from the front for a variety of reasons, most notably Calcabrina's brace, and as a ninja with around 570 accuracy I miss about 2 of every five hits.

[Ahki]

The thing is that healers ARE required to DPS and ARE blamed if the DPS checks are not made. You are considered a noob or trash if you slot anything else in those slots other than accuracy. I should be able to slot materia that helps my job like crit or determination. A change needs to be made somewhere just like it was made for tanks. If the change comes in the form of a change to cleric stance, then so be it.