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    Gallus's Avatar
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    Crimson Bloodrose
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    i170 healing gear has 0 accuracy on it.

    This pretty much sums up SE's stance on healers DPSing in Alexander. I believe they are truly not happy about endgame DPS healers. Even with food and an accuracy relic (which we still don't have and don't even know if it's gonna be customizable or even if they will allow accuracy on healer's relic) it's very likely healers will be miles away from even smelling the accuracy cap in Alexander. Just leaving it here.

    I would've preferred they made it hard but possible with some fine tunning and dedication, but the absolute and complete lack of accuracy in healing gear feels like they've completely walled any chance to DPS in the endgame (other than Bio II, Bio, Shadow Flare, Combust and Combust II which can never miss, but that's gonna make very little difference).
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    Just means that off-tanks will need to pick up the slack.
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    Elim Lovecraft
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    That sucks... Well then they should stop making the hardest endgame fights solo healable, even with max ilv gear. As SCH I was in cleric stance(and did as many of the mechanics as I could, like redfire/bluefire etc) roughly 50% of the time, every turn. My WHM partner solo healed often. If I hadn't been DPSing or busy with mechanics I would have felt useless because my healing was mostly unnecessary.
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    Last edited by Elim; 06-22-2015 at 04:10 PM.
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    Yuri Hyuga
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    Sounds like a mistake... they've mentioned beginning to support Healer-DPS in endgame (taking it into account for Savage, at least).

    Even before, it would appear they intend to assist Healers to this end (adding Accuracy to their gear later on).
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    Well it could always be possible the new esoteric tome healing gear in a few weeks actually has accuracy on it as well as both alexander and alexander savage healing gear. Come to think of it...accuracy is useless now anyway, since there's no endgame yet in the 3.0, so that's why they could've possibly not even bothered adding it to the "DL i170 gear".

    But still...don't wanna get my hopes up...
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    Kurei Hitaka
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    Diabolos
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuri_Hyuga View Post
    Sounds like a mistake... they've mentioned beginning to support Healer-DPS in endgame (taking it into account for Savage, at least).

    Even before, it would appear they intend to assist Healers to this end (adding Accuracy to their gear later on).
    Technically, they don't mention supporting it ever.

    They mentioned that they didn't originally tune fights to require it, and that they had no plans to do so.

    Clearly, this is their answer.
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    Celenir Istarkh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuri_Hyuga View Post
    Sounds like a mistake... they've mentioned beginning to support Healer-DPS in endgame (taking it into account for Savage, at least).

    Even before, it would appear they intend to assist Healers to this end (adding Accuracy to their gear later on).
    No mistake at all. 170 gear is pre-raid gear for everyone, i.e. the stuff everyone is expected to get, when they start on Alex-Normal. Having 0 Accuracy on 170 healing gear hammers the point home that healers was never designed to contribute dps.

    For Savage, healers are not designed to dps also. You probably read someone's speculation. In the 26th May interview, Yoshi-P specifically emphasized and repeated his statement, after talking about the Alex-N and Alex-S split, that they do not count healer dps in designing raid content.

    So there's no problems at all, no mistakes at all, to give absolutely no Accuracy on "raid" healing gear from now on. You weren't designed to dps anyway. The old healing gear in 2.x gave people the wrong impression, now they want to correct it.

    Healer dps was the key factor that allowed players to clear Coil turns faster then they designed. They're just having itemization stay true to their design intent now. 2.x Accuracy on healing gear was the mistake. 3.0 isn't.
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    Valentyne Laska
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim View Post
    That sucks... Well then they should stop making the hardest endgame fights solo healable, even with max ilv gear. As SCH I DPSed(and did most of the mechanics like redfire/bluefire etc) roughly 50% of a turn while my WHM partner solo healed. If I hadn't been DPSing or busy with mechanics I would have felt useless because my healing was mostly unnecessary.
    I used to throw dots out with my healer on Titan EX back when it was a thing. I guess those days are long gone with the expansion. I don't get why they would disallow it in the first place when it helped make healing a little more interesting where I would have reached my cutoff date on running heals.
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    Areku Foxfire
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    Hyperion
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Healers will be expected to DPS in alexander, they've said this.

    Astro and Scholar has moves that ignore accuracy so the only issue is white mage.

    I thought they said they were going to give an accuracy buff to cleric stance...

    Anyway, sounds like you're grasping at straws here. 2.x gear had no accuracy either (like 5 points on a chest piece isn't enough to even do anything, honestly, so I still consider that none) yet, healers were still expected to DPS the best they could....so I don't see the issue.

    As long as Bio, Bio 2, Combust, and the other astro DoT ignores accuracy, those classes at the least will be expected to contribute. Sorry.
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    Last edited by FoxyAreku; 06-22-2015 at 08:30 AM.

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    Velo'a Nharoz
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxyAreku View Post
    Healers will be expected to DPS in alexander, they've said this.
    Actually no, that came from a mistranslated live letter that a player did, and everyone started believing this. The official translation had Yoshi-p saying that, when designing content, they do not count healer DPS contributions. Instead they add up the total DPS contributions of damage dealers and tank roles (assuming top-teir play) and subtract 10-15% off to allow for player/mechanic variances. I am at work so don't have the link, but when I get home I'll look for it. Think I bookmarked it since everyone kept throwing around the myth of "healer DPS is needed."

    Basically, if your raid group absolutely NEEDS a healer to DPS to pass a mechanic, either A) the DD jobs are under-geared, or B) the DD jobs aren't doing their jobs properly. Healer DPS is purely optional, and really only necessary if you're tackling raids at a 10-15 ilevel difference below the recommended value.
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