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    wonka11's Avatar
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    Furious George
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    Marauder Lv 60

    Warrior pretty much the Go-To tank for now.

    Highest DPS, BY FAR? Check.

    Highest Burst, BY FAR? Check.

    Comparable Survivability to Paladin? Check.

    Incredible Self Healing? Double Check.

    Just waiting for everyone to realize it and start the long forum threads about nerf warriors, buff x tank here.
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    Tila Beauguerre
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by wonka11 View Post
    Highest DPS, BY FAR? Check.

    Highest Burst, BY FAR? Check.

    Comparable Survivability to Paladin? Check.

    Incredible Self Healing? Double Check.

    Just waiting for everyone to realize it and start the long forum threads about nerf warriors, buff x tank here.
    Highest DPS? Yep
    Burst? Why yes, thank you for restating the first point, you're obviously not trying to be biased.
    Comparable Survivability to Paladin? If you ignore shields and the new paladin abilities, and a few of the paladin ARR ones, sure.
    Incredible Self Healing? Not that much greater than a DRK or Paladin, plus self healing is oneof the worst things to judge a tank on. Also PLD self healing was buffed pretty well too, doubly so since their healing can be used supportive.

    Nice try though.
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    Makani Risvertasashi
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    Ultros
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    The PLD healing ability (Clemency I think it's called?) is really nice. Heals both a party member and themself. And then there's that awesome party wide shield.

    Not that WAR is bad but PLDs are shining too.
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    Furious George
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tila View Post
    Highest DPS? Yep
    Burst? Why yes, thank you for restating the first point, you're obviously not trying to be biased.
    Comparable Survivability to Paladin? If you ignore shields and the new paladin abilities, and a few of the paladin ARR ones, sure.
    Incredible Self Healing? Not that much greater than a DRK or Paladin, plus self healing is oneof the worst things to judge a tank on. Also PLD self healing was buffed pretty well too, doubly so since their healing can be used supportive.

    Nice try though.
    If you don't think warrior self healing is better than PLD and a significant ability of the class, you either don't know much about warrior, don't know much about pld, or don't know much about anything.

    Oh look you're a dragon, thats adorable. (sarcasm).
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    Tila Beauguerre
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    Mateus
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by wonka11 View Post
    If you don't think warrior self healing is better than PLD and a significant ability of the class, you either don't know much about warrior, don't know much about pld, or don't know much about anything.

    Oh look you're a dragon, thats adorable. (sarcasm).
    How nice, attacking the person rather than the argument. Clearly you are an intelligent person who I would love to have nice discussion with. That said, WAR self healing is better than PLD, but

    1. Not by some godly margin like you seem to think
    2. Self healing is the worst thing to judge tanking ability on
    3. DRK is comparable and arguably better self healing (which is why DRK isnt that great, self healing for tanks sucks which is why it was removed as the primary warrior tanking mechanic)

    And Oh look, a male Roe warrior. How original.
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    Kakashi Hatake
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    Brynhildr
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    Ninja Lv 70
    No need to argue folks. Nothing has really changed.

    When in a raid that actually matters:

    MT - PLD
    OT - WAR (and now DRK)
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    Sol Darkwater
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    Lamia
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    Miner Lv 60
    A warrior can do a 1200 potency heal on themselves every 60 seconds and thrill, IB's heal is insignificant in raids and you use it for its 20% damage reduction BEFORE taking tank busters. Your defiance effects none of these abilities, neither does convalescence.

    A paladin can do a 1200 potency heal that they can cast twice without pausing, and against after a sheltron and a riot blade combo + passive mana. They can cast it on other party members if they want to and enjoy 50% of the heal themselves. Convalescence effects this (which is 30% on a paladin). Both scale off strength and weapon damage (not mind, etc).

    Warriors do quite well but Paladins are far and away ahead of them in defenses now (sheltron is amazing, its basically a mini CD you can use on every tank buster, in addition to giving 10% of their health to themselves and others as a damage shield (basically half a thrill of battle for all of the melee).

    Warriors are great, but mitigation comparable to Paladin? Nope
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    Kori Fleming
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    Cerberus
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    Marauder Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by m3eansean View Post
    MT - PLD
    OT - WAR (and now DRK)
    Actually, the correct answer is:

    MT - PLD/WAR/DRK
    OT - PLD/WAR/DRK

    There's a time and a place for all combinations.

    In terms of mitigation on WAR:

    IB (physical + magical) = Sheltron (physical)
    Raw Intuition (physical) = Rampart (physical + magical)

    Raw Intuition is currently bugged, though, so it's actually significantly better than Rampart (and possibly one of the strongest CDs in the game, especially paired with Conv). It also grants you 1 stack of Wrath, which is more useful than it seems.

    Clemency = Equilibrium

    Clemency requires a GCD of no damage to cast, unlike IB or Equilibrium, which is it's downside. In terms of pure survivability, Clemency is stronger but not necessarily better.

    Divine Veil can't really be compared to anything WAR has, so I guess PLD's got that going for them, though I think this is better as a OT defensive skill than a MT one... dunno the range on it though.

    Vengeance = Sentinel

    Thrill = Bulwark I guess sorta not really but they're both basically as useful as eachother.

    I'd say both tanks are both equal in terms of survivability. PLD has a shield but IB is up more often than Sheltron. Dunno anything about DRK, but I imagine DRK is fine too.
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    Last edited by SpookyGhost; 06-24-2015 at 08:31 AM.

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    Yolanda Freebush
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    Malboro
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    Gladiator Lv 80
    In the end, does it really make a difference? All tanks do the same basic thing, and if you know how to do it, it will all work out.
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    Tal Young
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    Cerberus
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Paladin pretty much the go-to tank for now.

    My reasoning is simple and no maths in the world can change it, it has always been the go-to tank and people take forever to change.
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