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  1. #1
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    Alexander Timelender
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    Ifrit
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    Red Mage Lv 90

    Small adjust that should make the DRK nice

    Hi everybody!

    I think that DRK is almost perfect to be in pair with others.
    There are just few things that i think should be addressed:

    - Remove from GCD the grit stance, and reduce the MP cost for it (in pair with darkside)
    In this way we will be able to use blood sword, since blood price is not enough good to regen MP.
    In this way the DRK will have to be carefull on when to switch to blood sword, since he will receive 20% more damage (since he turn off grit).

    *If you dont want that Grit is kinda used on necessity (only use Grit to handle big hits from bosses), just give blood sword a debuff (+20% damage received and allow to use it during Grit stance), dont reduce the MP cost for Grit but remove it from GCD.

    With just this tweak, i think that the DRK will be almost perfect

    But, just a little more:

    - Since if we use blood sword often (if you change as i said), we will ruin TP VERY (compared to any other tank) fast, i would change the effect from carve and spit, giving TP restore (200 should be enough) instead of MP regain (that at level 60 is a joke when dark arts cost 1800mp and carve and spit regain only 900).

    * or remove the skill speed buff on BS


    How many of you agree on these changes? The drk does not need any other changes imho. He already works great as he is.


    - Maybe to make things more interesting, and to give something "new", you could change the souleater effects, giving shield instead of HP drain (but not sure if it would be OP)
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    Last edited by Seferex; 06-22-2015 at 05:50 PM.

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    Rhaja Foxtail
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    I've been fine with Blood Sword only being used for OTing or pure DPS mode. The trick is establish hate, then turn Darkness off. They even tell you in the first quest to not delve too deep at once.

    I do agree that the MP cost for Grit is way to high, it almost invalidates a full hit with siphon blade and Blood Sword on. I actually stopped dropping Grit for Blood Sword because of that.

    Honestly the only thing that needs changing (imo) is the parry procs. I love procs; there exciting. However, Reprise needs to be a bit more reliable than it currently is. Maybe switch it so that Parry has a chance to refresh it, instead of making it available. A small QoL would also make a indicator when Low Blow is triggered. I've gotten better at watching for the parry itself, but a visual notice would help that much more.
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    Alexander Timelender
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    As you said, you stopped to drop Grit for the great cost of MP... For how the stuff works now, drop Grit to use blood sword is useless, since you will almost spend what you got to enable Grit again...

    We NEED something else to get back MP.... What is fun on DRK is that we can use dark arts.. But right now, in long fight we can use it just sometimes, or we will ruin all the MP and will need "long" time to get back...

    With my little tweaks, should be possible, since i dont ask to change big stuff, just few (remove GCD + reduce MP cost OR allow use BS in Grit + damage increased while BS)
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    Lorielle Kurayami
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    Cactuar
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    - Change Reprisal(Lower CD or Refresh on Parry Proc)...Make it stack with Eye/DE? <3
    - Remove Grit from GCD or Lower MP Cost
    - Lower Dark Messenger MP Cost(Not really needed, but seriously.. DA+DM cost is stupidly high for no reason)
    - Give DRK some form of 'movement ignore' ability. We're susceptible to all movement mechancis where WAR gets Holmgang and PLD gets Tempered Will.
    - Preferably change Attribute Debuff of Delirium to something else besides INT.
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    Tatsu Masumi
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    I don't understand where this massive loss of my will in darks idea is coming from. Are you spamming dark passenger or something? The only time I have mp issues is when the boss jumps alot and becomes un targetable. Which really just drop darks idea if it's gonna be awhile the put it back when they land. This is of course from a level 52 perspective but still all this talk of dropping grit for blood sword do to lack of mp is kinda absurd
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    Do to lack of ability to edit via phone I meant dark arts Everytime it says darks idea...wtf phone wtf
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    Tatsu Masumi
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    I don't understand where this massive loss of mp while in dark side is coming from. Are you spamming dark passenger or something? The only time I have mp issues is when the boss jumps alot and becomes un targetable. Which really just drop dark side if it's gonna be awhile the put it back when they land. This is of course from a level 52 perspective but still all this talk of dropping grit for blood sword do to lack of mp is kinda absurd
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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Ragnarok
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Simple, get rid of MRD cross-class, give us LNC for Keen Flurry.
    It's really frustrating to only have tank cross-class skills.

    And put Reprisal on GCD like Shield Swipe.
    Quote Originally Posted by Drtoxicmedica View Post
    I don't understand where this massive loss of mp while in dark arts is coming from.
    If you pop Dark Arts on every Souleater, you'll starve pretty quickly under Grit.
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    Dererk Titan
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    Ultros
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    If your have so much problems keeping enough mp with just blood price well then your doing it wrong once youv secured hate on the mobs you start using your siphion blade and soul eater combo to regain mp and hp then do a combination of your hate generation combo and soul eater. And blood price is great for when your doing mass pulls because while their trying to kill you your useing unleash to secure hate and blood price is getting you mp back from all them trying to kill you.

    Its also good to be useing blood price in boss fights because then you can be useing more dark arts buffs.
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    ^ except bosses don't hit often enough for it to really benefit. In CT I started with a buffed Power Slash combo and I was able to siphon blade into soul eater mostly, but for the few times I had to show the PLD my threat superiority. The thing is it's easy to want to keep using our Dark Arts and Darkness, when it really needs to be timed and conserved.

    But I can still see fixes coming in 3.1 after it's had some time in Alexander.

    Something that would actually be an interesting adjustment is the HP gain on Soul Eater. Instead of damage based, which enforces the STR meta, make it percentage base. Make us WANT more VIT because it'll empower our Soul Eater. Could you imagine something as absurd as getting 15-25% Hp back every combo, versus hoping to get that on a crit?

    I'm just throwing out ridiculous stuff though for the hell of it.

    Honestly though that just sounds like it works better with how you only get HP in grit. That way in Grit you're focused on Dark Arts for your CD's, and out of Grit your going all out because Blood Sword regens a ton of MP. I'm honestly enjoying being out of MT more on DRK because it just feel like you get to play more with our offensive abilities, which I'm prone to from all that time as a WAR
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    Last edited by Rhaja; 06-22-2015 at 10:22 PM.

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