Summoner Changes Compiled: Is there more?

[Havenchild]

I think I have literally ran out of ideas/options to maximize a Dreadwyrm Trance so hopefully that helps.

Much appreciated. It's cool to hear what other people are trying out while I try to map out a max rotation over the course of a long encounter. The opener isn't much of an issue for me anymore gladly but trying to figure out how to play post that seems challenging sometimes. Like I'm trying to find something that always lines up correctly.

Currently with like Garuda for example, I can have DoTs falling off, Contagion, Tri-D, DWT all the time at the same time (sometimes alongside Raging Strikes) which allows me to refresh DoTs at higher potency just focus on Ruin III spam. Essentially you delay the Dreadwyrm stance so it's always up with Aetherflow alongside those things I mentioned. Now if that's actually good for an encounter is what I'm trying to figure out. Then eventually seeing if I can try to do the same with Ifrit to some extent even with the absence of Contagion and it still be beneficial over the course of an encounter.

[Fatshine]

Much appreciated. It's cool to hear what other people are trying out while I try to map out a max rotation over the course of a long encounter. The opener isn't much of an issue for me anymore gladly but trying to figure out how to play post that seems challenging sometimes. Like I'm trying to find something that always lines up correctly.

Currently with like Garuda for example, I can have DoTs falling off, Contagion, Tri-D, DWT all the time at the same time (sometimes alongside Raging Strikes) which allows me to refresh DoTs at higher potency just focus on Ruin III spam. Essentially you delay the Dreadwyrm stance so it's always up with Aetherflow alongside those things I mentioned. Now if that's actually good for an encounter is what I'm trying to figure out. Then eventually seeing if I can try to do the same with Ifrit to some extent even with the absence of Contagion and it still be beneficial over the course of an encounter.

By the way, I updated the front page with more info if you want to use it. The one thing I'm really curious about is Titan enmity and what his auto attack is.

[Superskull85]

Like I'm trying to find something that always lines up correctly.
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You'll be forced to line up Aetherflow stacks with Dreadwyrm Trance if you ever want to make use of it. Lining up Tri-Disaster/Deathflare is easy because they have 30 second cooldowns as well and every other buff is a multiple of 30 seconds so those should be easy too. I don't think you'll ever avoid DoT's dropping off at some point especially if you ever need to move. I do a typical Shadow Flare -> Bio -> Bio II -> Miasma mixing in Ruin when I don't need an attunement and Ruin II for an attunement. Doing that I refresh all 3 once (staggered) before I go into a trance. Doing that I can get off several trances in a typical boss fight and not lose a single DoT. My timers line up perfectly. I use Ifrit but Garuda is no different since you'd ideally want Contagion with your trance which luckily lasts 60 seconds making your timings line up nicely and allowing you roughly 3 Ruin I's since you wouldn't need to refresh every other trance.

Hopefully that made sense. That kind of idea has been working well for me. I can give you the full rotation but outside of the trance rotation I am not doing anything new since I don't really want to hasten my attunement stacks (ie I don't really want to have full attunement in 3 GCD's unless I really want to in the very beginning of a fight when I have 3 Aetherflow stacks and Aetherflow off cooldown). Which BTW you can use Energy Drain to add a third attunement for single target fights if you wanted a speed attunement. I guess this last bit could be amended for a brief increase to your trance usage.

It seems the new actions work best when used together so I tend to keep it that way. Having even 30 second cooldowns makes it easy to line up just right which is a nice thing about Summoners.

[Fatshine]

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[Fatshine]

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[Fatshine]

Front page updated! I have finally reached 60 and played will all the new SMN toys. My thoughts under each skill!

[Fatshine]

Front page updated!

[Neela]

Deathflare is pretty good, but it's a 400 potency attack that can be used once every 45 seconds or so. A flashy way to finish Dreadwyrm attack, but by the time you've set-up three stacks of Aether for this, most of the mobs will have died already. It's super flashy, but all the set-up you have to do will likely result in you never actually using it, or only using it on the last remaining enemy. In boss fights, you might use it quite a few times.

Uhm have u ever tried Deathflare on lvl 60 mobs? I use it on nearly every mob encounter i ran into... starting with (swiftcasted) Shadowflare, Tri-saster, Bane, Fester, Painflare > Bahamuts Trance, Ruin lll spam > Deathflare. It only takes around 5 secs to come to the Ruin lll part - 10 secs to Deathflare. Never encountered an HW mob which died before Deathflare was ready...