Summoner Changes Compiled: Is there more?

[Zanther]

That Ruin III.... triple the cost for 1.5 potency AND added cast timer AND losing additional debuff effect. Man. Like, what were they thinking? It's indeed pretty ridiculous when compared to SCH's Broil which has a higher potency AND lower MP cost than Ruin III.

You're supposed to use ruin III during trance, as the mana cost is almost nothing during that time.

Yes, there is DWT. A 15s buff for 10% additional damage overall, that eats up all our Aetherflow stacks (have to use all 3 to activate it). 15 seconds. Never understood these 15s effects - when you have to dance around most of the time dodging AoEs or working some other mechanics, you have 2-2.5s cast times... ugh.

I would suggest making sure its a burn phase before you pop your trance. You're supposed to strategist on when to pop it, much like BLM and their rune of power ability.

As for Painflare - yeah, that one is nice, except... it's just like a mass-Fester. Without having to apply the individual DoTs, but on a separate cooldown. ... Not sure I see the point.

Helps burn aoe adds down quicker, which was a complaint about the class for a while (not having enough aoe).

And let's not even mention the total screw-over that is spell speed - if I haven't seen virtually everyone doing SMN knocking spell speed completely off their relics (and ranking it as far behind everything else as possible on other gear), because it was completely useless, then I haven't seen anyone doing that at all. And all of a sudden - BAM, in your rear, now it's actually needed. Yeah, thank you very much, SE.

Not sure why this is considered a bad thing?

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What AF management was that? You unload bane/fester as soon as they were off cooldown unless you were saving them for an upcoming burn phase.

Theres plenty of rotation talk going on in the guide thread.

[Havenchild]

What AF management was that? You unload bane/fester as soon as they were off cooldown unless you were saving them for an upcoming burn phase.

Theres plenty of rotation talk going on in the guide thread.

You can't really ask a question and then explain that there is another guide thread to talk about rotations. More to the point if you already disagree with what Crevox is saying, which to me sounds like mechanically the class was already difficult and now they made it harder, which I was largely agreeing to. If you didn't think SMN was difficult to play already when trying to maximize, then I would tell you, it's very likely you weren't playing it to it's max.