Confused About Collectables

[Trespar]

As a 51 miner should I not bother with this yet? Just focus on leveling?

You can easily gather collectible yellow copper ore at level 51. Use it to supplement your leveling by hitting the minimum collectible requirement and then gathering as many as possible. At level 51 you'll probably cap out at 2 per unspoiled node. Note that two at minimum collectible is more exp than 1 at maximum collectible.

[Temjiu]

I would also recommend to those at lvl 50-51 that when your upping quality, choose "quantity over quality" as an example, base turn-in exp for yellow copper or per (min quality is 240 iirc), you get 64k exp. the next tier of quality adds around 10k exp max. so it's better to turn in 2 of lower quality then 1 higher quality, you get much more exp for them!

I'd also mention that this is simply the fastest way to level your gathering, period. once you get the process down, you can easily get 250k exp about every 15m or so (whatever time it takes for the Eorza clock to rotate 12 hours). using no leave quests, and spending no more then 2-3 minutes porting over to western Coerthas and flying/riding to the spot. it's really that easy and that fast.

I also recommend that you unlock flying in those zones asap. saves you a ton of time once the node pops up. their spawn locs are pretty spread out, and with all the hills and ramps you have to run up, it can really eat into your node access time w/o flying.

[Davirtuoso]

As a 51 miner should I not bother with this yet? Just focus on leveling?

As a level 50 miner/botanist (was only 1-star gatherer pre 3.0) I am able to successfully gather 4 items at the minimum collectability on both miner and botanist. The EXP from this is around 250k each, and in the 9 game hours between the last level 50 node and the next available one i'm able to fit in 3-4 levequests worth about 60k each. It levelled up my botanist with very little effort, and makes the whole process much more interesting.

As other people have stated, more items of lower collectability is key. For me, hitting the node (don't use toil), then using Discerning Eye > Methodical Appraisal > Methodical Appraisal > (Ability to recover one gathering attempt) > collect x4. If your Gathering % chance is lower you can also use an ability to increase it by 15% if you have 600GP total. This makes for pretty dependable exp and a fast levelling experience

[Temjiu]

As a level 50 miner/botanist (was only 1-star gatherer pre 3.0) I am able to successfully gather 4 items at the minimum collectability on both miner and botanist. The EXP from this is around 250k each, and in the 9 game hours between the last level 50 node and the next available one i'm able to fit in 3-4 levequests worth about 60k each. It levelled up my botanist with very little effort, and makes the whole process much more interesting.

As other people have stated, more items of lower collectability is key. For me, hitting the node (don't use toil), then using Discerning Eye > Methodical Appraisal > Methodical Appraisal > (Ability to recover one gathering attempt) > collect x4. If your Gathering % chance is lower you can also use an ability to increase it by 15% if you have 600GP total. This makes for pretty dependable exp and a fast levelling experience

this is about the results I got as well. Even with no levequests, just hopping over to CWH as often as I could remember to, my miner actually outpaced my Warrior in levels! it's that easy. and i miss the timers allot. my warrior is currently grinding her way to 56 so she can continue the story, and my Miner is 56 already and halfway to 57!


my current confusion is understanding the appraisal skills. As an example, Methodical Appraisal says, "Increases Item rarity by Perception x1." my current perception is 457 in NQ white lvl 55 craft gear....but when i use the skill on it's own, im lucky to get more then 200 on the item itself. Am I missing something? is there some multiplier on the item im trying to collect? if it matters any, km lvl 56, and these are results from the lvl 51 items (yellow copper). isn't it supposed to be my perception? shouldn't i be getting 457 per use?

[Roth_Trailfinder]

I said it somewhere in another thread, but basically, I think that where they said Perception, they really meant Efficiency.

Consider Crafting. Basic touch has 100% Efficiency, 70% chance of success. Standard Touch has 125% Efficiency, 80% chance of success. Careful Synthesis has 90% Efficiency, 100% chance of success. The Efficiency involved means that the skills will work, based on something else. ST is 25% stronger than BT. CS is 10% weaker than Basic Synthesis (which is 100% Efficiency, 90% chance of success). The Touches are Efficiency based on Control, the Synthesis actions are Efficiency based on Craftsmanship.

For the Appraisal skills, I think its a case of Efficiency, based on Perception.

[Rath]

Just throwing out some info for people struggling to gather collectibles for scrips.

1.)Do not use toil, hit the slot to open it up.
2.) 600 gp makes it very very easy. Can be achieved with food or melds.
3.) When you first unlock a node, you wont get anything worthwhile from it with the wasted actions/gather attempts to unlock it. Use a discernment + methodical on it. This will let you know how many you can gather. See below.
4.) With discernment if you get 150-168, you can do disc + meth x3 and then gather 2 times on 450 rarity items.
5.) With disc+ meth if you get 169+, you can gather 3 items by using disc+methx2 and the 200 gp ability you learn at 56 mind something + meth.

For exp use the same basis.
1.)For yellow copper use disc+meth then meth then solid reason and gather x4.

400 rarity items use disc+meth and if you get 169+ use meth x2 then solid reason and gather x3. At 56 use disc+ meth mind+methx2 and gather x4. If you get less then 169 use disc+methx2 and then meth and gather x2 until 56+ then you can disc+methx2 then mind+meth and gatherx3.

450 rarity is the same way. Use disc+meth and if you get 169+ use disc+meth again then mind+meth and gatherx3. Otherwise use disc+methx3 and gatherx2.

I was getting upwards of 1.4mil every 30 minutes post 56. This makes leveling obscenely easy.

[lololink]

Does anyone know how the rarity gains works, it says it's based on perception but after gaining some stats with lvl 55 gear it didn't get any better and stuck to 110.

[Dario]

Your best bet is to upgrade your off-hand tool (main hand as well if you can!) as you'll find the largest perception increase which will give you much better rarity gains. Just keep at it!

[Temjiu]

Does anyone know how the rarity gains works, it says it's based on perception but after gaining some stats with lvl 55 gear it didn't get any better and stuck to 110.

I believe that's what Roth was referring to in his comment above (in response to my question about the same). It's about Efficiency. in his example, even though you may have a control level of 300, on a touch synthesis (crafting skill), you won't get an increase of 300 in quality every time. it will be a number based on your control + the difficulty of the item + <I'm sure there's other numbers in here as well> = the actual increase of the quality of the item. on items with lower levlel then you, the number will be higher then your control...in at level items and higher, it will be lower.

with collectibles, Roth is theorizing that the actual increase in rarity is a similar equation based on perception. And given that, I'm inclined to agree with him, it seems to fit, and it correlates with all the collectibles I've tried so far.

So Moral of this story...increasing your Perception will increase rarity per use, but it's not a 1/1 ratio as the tooltip would lead you to believe.

[Kiara]

Just throwing out some info for people struggling to gather collectibles for scrips.

1.)Do not use toil, hit the slot to open it up.

Thanks for the tip Rath and Fayt. Quick question:

* For Yellow Copper Ore, does this work? I could've sworn the Node Slot moved from the first time I mined it to the 2nd time (so I had to use Toil)?

Or was it a mistake?