How is BLM in new expansion?

[hallena]

If you were progressing content in the first few weeks then you know how important it was to push phases. Clearly that doesn't seem to be the case judging from your posts.

Groups with summoner in the party instead of blm has cleared Final coil whitin 2 weeks of release. That 30 dps sure did wipe them hard did it?

Good thing I don't care what a random person claims then.

keep moving that goal post

[OneWingedSora]

Groups with summoner in the party instead of blm has cleared Final coil whitin 2 weeks of release. That 30 dps sure did wipe them hard did it?

No, but it made it harder for them to clear it than if they had partied with a BLM.

[hallena]

No, but it made it harder for them to clear it than if they had partied with a BLM.

1% can be the difference between hitting and enrage or not

Make up your mind here sweetheart.

[OneWingedSora]

Make up your mind here sweetheart.

So you are saying the groups that cleared with Summoner never enraged ? For all you know, 50% of their wipes could've been avoided if they partied with a BLM. Jeez, why am I wasting my time on this.

[hallena]

So you are saying the groups that cleared with Summoner never enraged ? For all you know, 50% of their wipes could've been avoided if they partied with a BLM. Jeez, why am I wasting my time on this.

So you're saying a group that hit enrage is 50% because they brought a summoner instead of a black mage? It couldn't possibly be anyone else's fault? people dying? healer not dpsing enough? Tanks not dpsing enough? Of course not. it's because summoners were doing 5% less dps than blm!
Just stop now. You're making me believe the problem is you being a terrible summoner.

[OneWingedSora]

So you're saying a group that hit enrage is 50% because they brought a summoner instead of a black mage? Just stop now. You're making me believe the problem is you being a terrible summoner.

I am saying they could've cleared faster and easier if they brought a BLM. Also, lol @ calling me a terrible summoner. Guess randoms will stay randoms. I am also not the one crying for BLM buffs and struggling to get really high numbers with it.

So you're saying a group that hit enrage is 50% because they brought a summoner instead of a black mage? It couldn't possibly be anyone else's fault? people dying? healer not dpsing enough? Tanks not dpsing enough? Of course not. it's because summoners were doing 5% less dps than blm!
Just stop now. You're making me believe the problem is you being a terrible summoner.

It could be all those reasons AND a SMN doing less DPS. Your point ?


Crap daily post limit, I was enjoying this snack.

[SuzakuCMX]

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You claimed nobody would bring [INSERTPERCEIVEDWORSECASTERHERE] to progression because 1% is the difference between wiping. Hallena countered that people did indeed clear progression content near release with [INSERTPERCEIVEDWORSECASTERHERE] and you changed your argument to "Yeah well that doesn't mean they didn't wipe." Parties with [INSERTBETTERCASTERHERE] wiped as well. It's all well and good to point to DPS from parses on dummies for theorycrafting purposes, but that's only under 100% perfect play that will RARELY be achieved. What matters far more than whatever silly theorycrafted perfect circumstantial DPS is the player's ability to play their job and adapt to the party's playstyle, while you are trying to view a dummy-parsed DPS in a vacuum. All jobs are viable and all are likely going to clear Alex in progression groups. People are way overblowing how bad jobs are right now when they really only need a few tweaks.

[hallena]

I am saying they could've cleared faster and easier if they brought a BLM. Also, lol @ calling me a terrible summoner. Guess randoms will stay randoms.

The difference in time to kill a target with 1 million health with a group doing 2500 dps and 2530 is 4 seconds.
I guess yes they could've killed it faster. woopdifreakingdoo, someone's cat could've caught on fire during that 4 seconds. i'm glad black mages were here to save the situation!

[Nestama]

A clear is a clear. Why does it matter if a group could kill something faster if they had X job instead of Y?
Hell, let's go a little further and say a group could kill a boss faster without Casters at all. DRG, MNK, NIN and BRD. BLM's and SMN's are irrelevant as neither have debuffs that benefit other DPS (Disembowel, Dragon Kick, Dancing Edge).

[Garotte14]

All I'm seeing is, "Oh no. BLM is too hard now, I'm going to switch SMN so I can do better dps and ppl will want me more." lulz to all of that. BLM is fine, you just need to git gud

Fact is, if you can't pick up BLM and can't play it effectively, then switching to SMN isnt going to help you. If you are running a static and your current BLM isn't pulling adequate numbers, you need to replace the player, not the job. Don't discount a BLM from your group because you are under the impression they are weak and ineffective and summoner is better. You just need to find a player who can play the job effectively which is absolutely 100% completely doable