How is BLM in new expansion?

[OneWingedSora]

Conflag in T5, bane dots from Twintania + Fester. Lol, you picked the wrong example. Do you want to know what I think of small hp adds in Ravana Ex? Cast cancel at 0.3 sec left cause the add is dead. You can bane dots on those adds.

You can easily compare SMN and BLM with Bismark X and Ravana X and I assume you haven't done them yet?

I mean, you could just stay on the boss and the moon ganas. 3 DPS are more than enough for the other adds.

Also baning Dots on the conflag is a waste of DPS since the DoTs will likely not tick more than once unless your groups DPS is trash.

[Aikaal]

I mean, you could just stay on the boss and the moon ganas. 3 DPS are more than enough for the other adds.

Also baning Dots on the conflag is a waste of DPS since the DoTs will likely not tick more than once unless your groups DPS is trash.

It is completely stupid and selflessly keep your DPS high and ignore mechanics that can give you vulnerability stacks. It shoudl never be my fault to lose DPS because I am doing mechanics properly. When adds spawn, you kill them asap and the only time I'll force a spell on the boxx is B4 because I can't afford to lose it.

@Zappa, you can look my Lodestone, I got my 190 weapon unlike you and unlike you I can't see your achievements. We have all the information we need to know at this point BLM is not viable. Have you cleared Savage turns in 110 gear? Enjoy T8. BLM was there only because of SMN issue, you still had to run to your assigned towers. Savage Alexander won't give us turret dps.

Also, right now SMN and BLM looks equal on ACT. I guess not a lot of people are aware that ACT right now does not calculated Spell Speed on DoTs? They are simulated and those dots aren't calculated with spell speed so the numbers of all DPS are lower than they are in reality. Except BLM which should be about the same because Thunder is a filler move.

[Malevicton]

It is completely stupid and selflessly keep your DPS high and ignore mechanics that can give you vulnerability stacks. It shoudl never be my fault to lose DPS because I am doing mechanics properly. When adds spawn, you kill them asap and the only time I'll force a spell on the boxx is B4 because I can't afford to lose it.

@Zappa, you can look my Lodestone, I got my 190 weapon unlike you and unlike you I can't see your achievements. We have all the information we need to know at this point BLM is not viable. Have you cleared Savage turns in 110 gear? Enjoy T8. BLM was there only because of SMN issue, you still had to run to your assigned towers. Savage Alexander won't give us turret dps.

Also, right now SMN and BLM looks equal on ACT. I guess not a lot of people are aware that ACT right now does not calculated Spell Speed on DoTs? They are simulated and those dots aren't calculated with spell speed so the numbers of all DPS are lower than they are in reality. Except BLM which should be about the same because Thunder is a filler move.

...If you miss then you weren't doing the mechanics "properly". It may feel selfish to you to hit the boss instead, but if you honestly find that your casts can't hit then your options are 1) damage the boss or moon gana or 2) damage nothing. So gj on doing 0 damage just to feel more involved in a mechanic that you aren't actually contributing to accomplishing.

[Sleigh]

It is completely stupid and selflessly keep your DPS high and ignore mechanics that can give you vulnerability stacks. It shoudl never be my fault to lose DPS because I am doing mechanics properly. When adds spawn, you kill them asap and the only time I'll force a spell on the boxx is B4 because I can't afford to lose it.

In this particular case I gotta agree with the others. Damage distribution, who attacks what when where and why, has always been really important for BLM, a class who's largely DoT free and can manipulate how long things live easier than others to maximize AoE/DoTs. In a static I always try to coordinate what I'm attacking with the others, and if it's too hard to guarantee my cast (which it can be in Ravana on small adds) I will either take myself off them, take some melee off them, or make sure I'm the only one doing it. I think in Ravana the latter is appropriate.

With a 3s cast and the price of losing a cast in general, this coordination is gonna be huge going forward. Just food for thought. I don't think failing an add or two in Ravana is too risky survival wise to necessitate risking Enochian.

[OneWingedSora]

It is completely stupid and selflessly keep your DPS high and ignore mechanics that can give you vulnerability stacks. It shoudl never be my fault to lose DPS because I am doing mechanics properly. When adds spawn, you kill them asap and the only time I'll force a spell on the boxx is B4 because I can't afford to lose it.

Well, you shouldn't be getting stacks even if you were staying at the boss the entire time. Hell, a bard can easily solo those blue butterflies.

[Aikaal]

I would consider if I was doing this Ex with 1 Tank and 1 Healer (It's been done) and with a comp like that, everybody's DPS would be higher anyways. No with 4 DPS, I am not taking the risk. Risking to lose your cast to respect mechanics is still a safer way to clear and should be done like that.

If people think the solution to fix broken mechanics on a job is to ignore mechanics. This is another argument not to bring you into progression and leave you behind with your BLM. You can get away with farm content but the question here is progression and in progression you were hitting those mobs. If you weren't, you were a danger to your group.

Well, you shouldn't be getting stacks even if you were staying at the boss the entire time. Hell, a bard can easily solo those blue butterflies.

*should* is the keyword. In progression, there is no should. You respect mechanics period.

[OneWingedSora]

I would consider if I was doing this Ex with 1 Tank and 1 Healer (It's been done) and with a comp like that, everybody's DPS would be higher anyways. No with 4 DPS, I am not taking the risk. Risking to lose your cast to respect mechanics is still a safer way to clear and should be done like that.

If people think the solution to fix broken mechanics on a job is to ignore mechanics. This is another argument not to bring you into progression and leave you behind with your BLM. You can get away with farm content but the question here is progression and in progression you were hitting those mobs. If you weren't, you were a danger to your group.

We do it with 3 tanks and 3 DPS sometimes, I always stay on the boss and the Moon Ganas only. Never had a problem.

[Aikaal]

We do it with 3 tanks and 3 DPS sometimes, I always stay on the boss and the Moon Ganas only. Never had a problem.

All I'm hearing is that it's not progression so it has no value about BLM vs SMN in progression, I'm sorry.

@Zappa, I,m not twisting words. I'm pointing facts

[OneWingedSora]

All I'm hearing is that it's not progression so it has no value about BLM vs SMN in progression, I'm sorry.

@Zappa, I,m not twisting words. I'm pointing facts

Except our first clear was with 3 tanks and in 150-160 gear. This has nothing to do with progression, this just sounds like poor raid coordination to me.

[Aikaal]

Except our first clear was with 3 tanks and in 150-160 gear. This has nothing to do with progression, this just sounds like poor raid coordination to me.

So, Warrior do more DPS than Bards. Your argument of 3 tanks is not valid because Warriors are insane right now and they need to tune down Fell Cleave. I have friends from Odin, I know where you are coming from unfortunately. Endangering your raid by ignoring mechanics is a major weakness that nobody in progression wants. While Bane would be a DPS lost for the SMN if you don't get enough tick, needless to say dots are on the boss but you are damaging the adds and doing your job.

If this is what you think of progression you're free to do so. I would simply not pick you and discard you or anyone that thinks like you away picking that one guy that might do less damage than you but I know will respect the mechanics before his own benefits in progression. Farm content is a different story if you do crazy things like solo heal, solo tank 6 DPS. It's fair to assume ignoring adds on BLM won't matter in this scenario.