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  1. #131
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    Tman00's Avatar
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    Jude Foreman
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    Excalibur
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    Black Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by OneWingedSora View Post
    That's the thing, there will always be a better caster depending on the fight, people just need to learn to live with that.
    Thing is, most Coils were movement heavy. With how punishing movement is now, SMN will easily take the throne unless we get T8 again which was one fight out of 13.
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  2. #132
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    OneWingedSora's Avatar
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    Mala Liath
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    Balmung
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    Black Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Tman00 View Post
    Thing is, most Coils were movement heavy. With how punishing movement is now, SMN will easily take the throne unless we get T8 again which was one fight out of 13.
    None of the coils were movement heavy unless you got really unlucky with mechanics rng.
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  3. #133
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    Philia Felice
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    Gilgamesh
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    Thaumaturge Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by OneWingedSora View Post
    He was being sarcastic probably.
    I wish I could believe you but it's Akiza x_x
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  4. #134
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    Tman00's Avatar
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    Jude Foreman
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    Excalibur
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    Black Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by OneWingedSora View Post
    None of the coils were movement heavy unless you got really unlucky with mechanics rng.
    There weren't very many fights were you could just sit and turret for at least 1 minute. There were lots of fights that required repositioning and getting ready for any RNG mechanic that could target you.
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  5. #135
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    Rhel Eryut
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    Gilgamesh
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Tman00 View Post
    There weren't very many fights were you could just sit and turret for at least 1 minute. There were lots of fights that required repositioning and getting ready for any RNG mechanic that could target you.
    But Black Mage could completely avoid a mechanic and turret for more than a minute with their utility. Only way SE can justify a Black Mage buff is if they add a minute cds to their big hitting ability.
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    Last edited by Akiza; 06-27-2015 at 11:18 AM.

  6. #136
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    Jude Foreman
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    Excalibur
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    Black Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Akiza View Post
    But Black Mage could completely avoid a mechanic and turret for more than a minute with their utility. Only way SE can justify a Black Mage buff is if they add a minute cds to their big hitting ability.
    Good thing that Utility is Nerfed
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  7. #137
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    Fara Venator
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    Coeurl
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    Thaumaturge Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Akiza View Post
    Summoners get punished for having the move if they use Dreadwyrm Trance at the wrong time resulting in massive damage loss. Black Mages are just complaining becuase there job is more technical now and is not easy to maximize damge like 2.0. Black Mages just want to do massive dps without any draw backs which is imbalanced. If SE overeacts and flat out buff Black Mage potency again they should give Summoner Teraflare as a normal spell with 1200 potency and a 3min cd just to balance it out.
    Just go away, You're embarassing yourself with literally every post. You have no idea you are talking about.
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    Last edited by hallena; 06-27-2015 at 01:27 PM.

  8. #138
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    Waliel Hla
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    Cerberus
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon View Post
    Good luck keeping up Enochain and Astral Fire when using Thundercloud procs. Using them in Astral Fire can actively punish your dps as you have to revert to a single F4, before refreshing astral fire, rather than two.
    You lose one F4 every time you move, anyway -- unless you can stay inside Ley while dodging -- and a full duration Thundercloud is 100 more potency than F4, if it doesn't clip at all. A rare situation, but I think it can have its uses.
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  9. #139
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    Harold Saxon
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    Odin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waliel View Post
    You lose one F4 every time you move, anyway -- unless you can stay inside Ley while dodging -- and a full duration Thundercloud is 100 more potency than F4, if it doesn't clip at all. A rare situation, but I think it can have its uses.
    You can't assume full duration of Thundercloud though. Most of the time you get it, there is already duration remaining. Furthermore, you then have to use a F1 afterwards, which costs more Mana than a F4, meaning you'll lose another F4 from your rotation later on.

    It shouldn't be a DPS loss to lose procs.
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  10. #140
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    Xisin Fendada
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    Sargatanas
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    thundercloud doesn't get astral fire bonuses
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