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    Sleigh's Avatar
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    Philia Felice
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    This is probably the most opposite opinion of a lot of people but I just really at this point am hoping casters aren't nerfed.

    Screw BLM vs SMN. It's us casters, vs the non-casters, and we're winning right now.
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    Aikaal Leyma
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleigh View Post

    Screw BLM vs SMN. It's us casters, vs the non-casters, and we're winning right now.
    THe DPS difference on Dummy is definitely less compared to 2.4. Last time, they buffed melees. I'd rather not see a nerf on BLM :\ How much melees do in Ravana Ex usually?
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    Mala Liath
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aikaal View Post
    THe DPS difference on Dummy is definitely less compared to 2.4. Last time, they buffed melees. I'd rather not see a nerf on BLM :\ How much melees do in Ravana Ex usually?
    900+. About the same as BLM under perfect conditions.
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    Then it comes for them to skills and how to properly do their rotation with fights like BLMs. I'm pretty sure with a full group favoring me I'd do 950+ I still think on unknown grounds Summoner is better.
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    Waliel Hla
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    Quote Originally Posted by seekified View Post
    I haven't, but my best friend is a BLM and we've discussed things at length and I've read up enough on the intricacies on the job to at least have an opinon, even if I obviously haven't tested things myself.

    I don't mean to be rude here, but historically many BLMs come across as lazy and adverse to challenges. They also tend to be the ones who rarely bother to level another job. Call me judging, but that's my two cents.
    Imagine that every time you moved, it would interrupt your current combo and you'd have to start from the beginning and the duration of your BotD was reduced by 10 seconds. That's roughly the problem we're facing.
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    Wouldn't A LOT of BLM problems be lessened by this change to Surecast:
    Next spell is cast without interruption and can be cast while moving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OmegaStrongtan View Post
    Wouldn't A LOT of BLM problems be lessened by this change to Surecast:
    Next spell is cast without interruption and can be cast while moving.
    AKA another Swiftcast without the instant effect. It actually would solve a lot of our issues but it would also make it nearly braindead to execute IMO.

    It's been said so many times, just a small timer adjustment to AF and/or Enochian here or there, to help with the RNG aspect and possibly promote Enochian fulltime through phase shifts (which may or may not be the intent). Maybe an AoE increase a little bit so we're not outclassed in that department if another T4 or T12 comes along.
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    Harold Saxon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleigh View Post
    AKA another Swiftcast without the instant effect. It actually would solve a lot of our issues but it would also make it nearly braindead to execute IMO.

    It's been said so many times, just a small timer adjustment to AF and/or Enochian here or there, to help with the RNG aspect and possibly promote Enochian fulltime through phase shifts (which may or may not be the intent). Maybe an AoE increase a little bit so we're not outclassed in that department if another T4 or T12 comes along.
    I'd agree with this, with a rework of Thundercloud so that we aren't punished for using it (enochain wise). I don't think making BLM hyper mobile is the answer, I think rewarding good BLM's that can suffer the poor mobility is better.
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    I find all of this a bit premature to be honest.
    We are less than two weeks since launch, and already people calling for such n such needs to be buffed, something else needs extending, blah blah needs potency increased

    Yes it's definitely that SE have ruined everything, and certainly not that a lot of people just haven't got used to things changing /rollseyes /sarcasm

    we cleared both primals several times with two BLMs and no SMNs, so even if there is a disparity in dps, it can't be so high as to actually affect anything yet. Whether it will in Alexander remains to be seen, and so is not worth commenting on yet

    Just 12 days from launch, and people seem to be under the impression they should already be at the peak of their performance

    Do I think I'm the best BLM? Course not.
    Am I looking forward to the challenge of learning every nuance of the changes brought in so I can squeak out as much dps as I can? absolutely
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    Last edited by randysquirrel; 07-01-2015 at 10:14 PM.

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    It almost as if players that have a clue take a short amount of time to theorycraft because its really not that difficult. The evidence is there, feel free to tell me how using Thundercloud procs won't mess up your enochain timing, its almost as if Monks had their greased lightning timer increased in 2.1 because they couldn't fit their rotation in with any significant mechanics (With BLM, 2.9+2.9+2.41=8.41 - not accounting for latency or mechanics). Its almost as if Fey Glow and Spellspeed got completely gutted for BLM.

    Those are facts and no amount of time and practice will overcome those.

    I'm not the best BLM, but I certainly do very well with the class and I know my theorycrafting. I'm looking forward to the challenge as much as you, but there needs to be changes; the class clearly wasn't tested properly.

    Regarding future raid mechanics - Its almost as if movement is a core part of raiding or something. Who knew?
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