How is BLM in new expansion?

[Xisin]

BLM with Foe's is not greater than Monk. And if we are including other classes, what about Monk with a Machinist physical DPS buff?

Sure, the numbers we can put up compared to 2.x are nice, but that hardly matters. What matters now is the comparison between classes.

my groups monk has mch buff, and if i run a a perfect run i keep up without foes (we don't have a bard) with foes on ravana i nail upwards of 10k+ crits in scorpion mode, and enochian only falls off twice-ish if i dont mess up. It's most definitely a contender. enochian can be kept 100% during gana, just blizz 3-4 on ravana everytime, if a gana lands under ravana, flare the gana if on enochian chain #1. Theres a lot of variables in play.

[TraeSnow]

I wonder where all the hate for BLM was when they were replacing SMN in FCoB?
BLMs didn't seem to have a problem with them being more optimal for FCoB than a SMN was - but wait! Now that 60 content is here and 2 fights require movement, which SMN has always naturally done better than a BLM, BLMs are having a fit.
Don't judge your job based on two EX primals.
BLM are a still a single target powerhouse - and they still own the title of consistent AoE damage. (SMN only has burst AoE)

[Kailii]

Blm is more crippled by movement now than ever before. While our single target is better than in ARR, movement destroys that. As well Blm is not far ahead of smn on dummy parses.
As well in the aoe issue, smn is the better aoe job. You do full ST damage to 3 mobs, 50% to others, not counting Miasma 2 and Shadow Flare. Not counting the insane burst aoe which is often times why aoe is needed in coils. Smn in fcob was a bunch of issues coming to a head, mainly mp costs and terrible itemization, which has since been fixed.

This shouldn't be a smn and blm slap fight though. I'm glad smns are better now, that spell speed effects them and they have meaningful aoe and burst. My problems are blm not being fun to play and having the movement issue compounded. You shouldn't punish a class just because its 'oppositional' to you or whatever.

[Sleigh]

I wonder where all the hate for BLM was when they were replacing SMN in FCoB?
BLMs didn't seem to have a problem with them being more optimal for FCoB than a SMN was - but wait! Now that 60 content is here and 2 fights require movement, which SMN has always naturally done better than a BLM, BLMs are having a fit.
Don't judge your job based on two EX primals.
BLM are a still a single target powerhouse - and they still own the title of consistent AoE damage. (SMN only has burst AoE)

Quite contrary, I think most BLMs who've farmed the fights feel pretty decent about the 2 primals. It's the future that scares me for BLM - Bismark/Ravana weren't exactly hard content. You don't have to hit towers, or get trapped by a mechanic, or need MAX sustained DPS in a multi-DoT/AoE situation. The primals are largely about managing Enochian, which is a bomb if you don't know the timers, to, pretty good uptime on Enochian all considered otherwise.

Also I personally was very adamant about SMN MP buffs in 2.4 - I want them both balanced very well together. I think 2.5 is the closest we've ever had to them being balanced for future content, but now it's gone and flip flopped again back to a situation where most can safely say they'd play SMN in progression (where you're stuck on a turn for days/weeks, not the couple hours it takes to do the primals), with equal skill/gear.

Here's how I envision the classes if say T1-13 were relevant progression again, same mechanics, same everything just tuned for current iLVL and how 3.0 SMN/BLM work in ST/AoE/mobility/multi-DoTs/mechanical freedom -

T1 - SMN
T2 - BLM
T4-7 - SMN
T8 - BLM
T9-13 - SMN
T6-9 Savage - SMN

Can you imagine T10 with 3.0 SMN? I don't think any class on their best day would be able to compete. Radiant Shield during add phase alone ... that'd be what, 1200 potency for one pet oGCD?

Just a tweak here or there ... Enochian being 30s each duration so there's more proc/AoE/phase shift freedom, AF being 12s to allow for a dodge between F4 > F1 to not be so risky/crippling, maybe Leylines just being a haste buff instead of a placement. It doesn't need much to become consistent and enough where the above evaluations I'd give would have a bit more BLM in there than such SMN overload.

[hallena]

I wonder where all the hate for BLM was when they were replacing SMN in FCoB?
BLMs didn't seem to have a problem with them being more optimal for FCoB than a SMN was - but wait! Now that 60 content is here and 2 fights require movement, which SMN has always naturally done better than a BLM, BLMs are having a fit.
Don't judge your job based on two EX primals.
BLM are a still a single target powerhouse - and they still own the title of consistent AoE damage. (SMN only has burst AoE)

"I have never played 2.0 - 2.1 - 2.2 and 2.3 : The post"

[OneWingedSora]

I think, my PoV is pretty darn close to sleigh's PoV on the whole thing... smn is over tuned atm and has a far easier adjustment period to new fights and is just plain more reliable on mechanic intensive fights. When I was arguing against the smn buff back in 2.5 this is the reason I didn't want them to gain potency... and now they have that nice raise utility, a supervirus, enhanced e4e, great st damage + godlike aoe, the best mobility dps in the game as of now... this includes bards and mechs. It's just so solid... meanwhile blm has better ST + apoc, and a very bad version of mana wall and manaward which is still nice.

Good post. Also agree with Sleigh's points.

[hallena]

So are you saying SMN was better than BLM in FcoB ?

Aside from mana issues. Dps wise both blm and smn were pretty damn close to eachother

[OneWingedSora]

Aside from mana issues. Dps wise both blm and smn were pretty damn close to eachother

If by pretty damn close you mean 30-40 DPS difference then yeah, sure.

[Xisin]

I think, my PoV is pretty darn close to sleigh's PoV on the whole thing... smn is over tuned atm and has a far easier adjustment period to new fights and is just plain more reliable on mechanic intensive fights. When I was arguing against the smn buff back in 2.5 this is the reason I didn't want them to gain potency... and now they have that nice raise utility, a supervirus, enhanced e4e, great st damage + godlike aoe, the best mobility dps in the game as of now... this includes bards and mechs. It's just so solid... meanwhile blm has better ST + apoc, and a very bad version of mana wall and manaward which is still nice.

[Fatshine]

Now that I have gotten to 60, yeah I can say SMN is better at AOE than BLM. Even before 3.0, the BLM had to be really good to best me at AOE. Now I absolutely wreck everything in my path, and it feels damn good! However, I still feel for BLM mains, I did start out as a Thaumaturge after all. I believe if SE nerfed Flare, then Fire II should receive a buff in order to bring BLM up to par with SMN. We are casters, we are AOE gods after all. Also based on what I have read /heard, BLM is totally fine until they have to move. High movement cripples them even more than before. SE has to take a look at how Enochian, Fire IV, and Blizzard IV work again. I'm surprised they haven't let Firestarter stack up til two since so many requested it to help with movement. Let's not play the Nerf this job because mine sucks game guys, instead try to offer reasonable changes to improve your job.