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  1. #361
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    Minerva Cho
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ephier View Post
    Not enough proof. Still, 70 DET = 1% DPS increase? I'm fine with that, better than 700 ACC or 650 SS.
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    Krie Arda
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    What I mainly want to know is with these rotations, when do you toggle Gauss barrel exactly outside of the opener? Never? In conjunction with cooldowns?
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    Excel Kobayashi
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    I want to point out that in the change log it was mentioned:

    "With the addition of crit it seemed that higher crit skewed the results in favor of having Gauss Barrel active; it means that higher iLvl will result in quite a large gap between not having Gauss Barrel active and having it active."

    So if this is true then the effectiveness of Gauss Barrel mostly relies on gear. So experience and practicality may vary based on the individual.

    tldr; if you lack in gear Gauss Barrel might only be useful as an opener, if you are very geared you may benefit from trying to keep Gauss Barrel up often.
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  4. #364
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    Zetsu Tei
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divebombs View Post
    I see. Testing things out myself now. Do you save Reload to time with your burst after the opener or just use it on CD?
    I use it on cd. And I toggle gauss off after the last slug before wildfire goes off and keep it off.
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    Last edited by Massterchef; 07-02-2015 at 03:57 AM.

  5. #365
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    Cascadi during your tests were you able to determine what the minimum crit range was in order for Gauss Barrel to become effective to cycle in frequently? Or just have it stay on if possible?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth View Post
    Not enough proof. Still, 70 DET = 1% DPS increase? I'm fine with that, better than 700 ACC or 650 SS.
    From that
    70 det = 6.5 str : 1 str = 10.769
    50 crit = 6.5 str : 1 str = 7.69

    1 det = 0.09
    1 crit = 0.13

    i180 choker = 38.86 dex
    i160 choker = 37.59 dex

    i180 earring = ??? ( need SS weight)
    i160 earring = 37.59 dex

    i180 belt = ??? ( need SS weight)
    i160 belt = 37.59 dex

    Seeing as how SS is pretty useless on MCH as they only have 1 dot and it does not seem to affect turret (I could be wrong), I can agree that i160 belt and earrings are better than i180, but not the choker. Even though the stat weights are not concrete it gives a rough idea of whats good and bad.
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  7. #367
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    Xania Zorzi
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    What do you guys think of this? The opener is different to any I've seen since the Rapidfire nerf.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...the_minutemen/
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  8. #368
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    Rui Ooshima
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    IDK, I think I suck at MCH right now maybe I'm still not accustomed to it yet, but as far as I know, hardcasting GB during the opener with your buffs up is a total waste?
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    So I'm i176 with an i180 Kai weapon. I've tried parsing on a dummy using Gauss Barrel as an opener only, using Gauss barrel toggled in time with my CDs, and using Gauss full times. I can't find a noticeable difference between the parses (820-840 each time).

    Which is truly best, and am I doing something wrong to have numbers so low?
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  10. #370
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ooshima View Post
    IDK, I think I suck at MCH right now maybe I'm still not accustomed to it yet, but as far as I know, hardcasting GB during the opener with your buffs up is a total waste?
    Hardcasting GB anytime when you can attack soemthing is wasted DPS. It should be done pre-pull or during a pause.

    Quote Originally Posted by Divebombs View Post
    So I'm i176 with an i180 Kai weapon. I've tried parsing on a dummy using Gauss Barrel as an opener only, using Gauss barrel toggled in time with my CDs, and using Gauss full times. I can't find a noticeable difference between the parses (820-840 each time).

    Which is truly best, and am I doing something wrong to have numbers so low?
    With or without party buff? I was doing in the low 800s with fulltime GB and party buffs. Eithercase, the numbers being that close together isn't usual from my experience. GB doesn't add enough dps in teh long run to pull it ahead of non-GB, and loses out to GB-burst (when rapid fire bug still existed).

    Though I do like it for mindless farming. It's better at bursting and deals out damage quicker. Sustained is a different story though.
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    Last edited by RiceisNice; 07-02-2015 at 12:34 PM.

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