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  1. #31
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    SasakiNori's Avatar
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    Lanaya Valerian
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuri_Hyuga View Post
    Why do you waste Rapid Fire on Hot Shot + Lead Shot prep?
    With Gauss Barrel, Rapid Fire makes your next 3 weapon skills instant cast (doesn't affect recast timer anymore), which lets you weave skills inbetween your GCDs.
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  2. #32
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    Yuri Hyuga
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    Quote Originally Posted by SasakiNori View Post
    With Gauss Barrel, Rapid Fire makes your next 3 weapon skills instant cast (doesn't affect recast timer anymore), which lets you weave skills inbetween your GCDs.
    Missed the point. You passed over the second line of context, quoted below:

    Quote Originally Posted by Yuri_Hyuga View Post
    Wouldn't it be best served while Wildfire is active?
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    Last edited by Yuri_Hyuga; 06-21-2015 at 04:48 PM.

  3. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuri_Hyuga View Post
    Missed the point. You passed over the second line of context, quoted below:
    but what for? It doesn't increase your DPS by itself. You use it in your opener so you can fit all your damage boosting buffs in since your first 3 attacks have a castbar. The 2nd and 3rd part of your 1-2-3 combo is instant cast so you can fit in your oGCDs. It'd basicly go like this Rapid Fire -> GCD start up with weaving your buffs -> Wildfire -> Strongest GCDs + oGCDs with potencies.
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  4. #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuri_Hyuga View Post
    Why do you waste Rapid Fire on Hot Shot + Lead Shot prep?

    Wouldn't it be best served while Wildfire is active?

    Also, holding a proc is optimal under one circumstance...

    "6 ammo phase" (staggered QR+R firing spree).

    Why you ask? Higher probability.

    580 (1a 2a* 3a*) ... " "
    160 (1a) ... " "
    200 (2a*) ... " "
    160 (1a) ... 220 (3a)
    200 (3*) ... 140 (1c)
    180 (2*c) ... 180 (2*cc)
    200 (3*) ... " "
    =1680 ... =1680

    1 = split shot
    2 = slug shot
    3 = clean shot
    a = ammo-use
    * = procced
    c = 50% to proc next
    cc = 25% to proc next

    Same potency, one has better odds.
    Where did the 25% come from? It's always 100% under ammo, you misplaced your QR, let me list it for you.
    SS = Split Shot
    LS = Slug Shot
    CS = Clean Shot
    QR = Quick Reload

    Holding Procs
    SS > LS > SS > CS > LS > QR > SS > CS > LS
    160+200+160+220+200+160+200+180 = 1480

    Not Holding Procs
    SS > LS > CS > SS > LS > CS > QR > SS > LS
    160+200+220+160+200+200+160+180 = 1480
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  5. #35
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    Urien Spectrum
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    After trying out a little bit of the rotation(minus Gauss Barrel of course). It feels so much more fluid.

    Though I wasn't having problems regardless with DPSing since I was weaving GCDs, overall this guide helped immensely.
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  6. #36
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    @Cascadi... a = ammo-use.

    As you can see, my example rotations extend beyond the ammunition-phase.

    Why? Because it's important to account for the lasting effects of an "ammo-finisher."

    You know this because you displayed 8 weaponskill-uses... though, I'm curious why you stop at 8 instead of 9?

    The 9th is the most vital as it demonstrates the difference in probability between the two sets.

    The 25% is my way of demonstrating the net odds of no-ammo proccing twice consecutively.

    First no-ammo chance is 50% & next is 50%, meaning you've got a 25% chance to successfully land both.

    Vs. the former rotation which only chances one time for equivalent net potency.

    Also, I didn't misplace my QR...
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    Last edited by Yuri_Hyuga; 06-22-2015 at 12:34 AM.

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    Precasting reloads is really silly.
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  8. #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuri_Hyuga View Post
    ...
    Uh, for the 9th cast it's going to be a 50% of proccing Clean Shot. You don't have any ammo at that point, so both sets are equal? I don't understand what you are trying to get at. Also, you did misplace your QR:

    580 (1a 2a* 3a*) ... " "
    160 (1a) ... " "
    200 (2a*) ... " "
    160 (1a) ... 220 (3a)

    uses 6 Ammo for both sets, so you did waste the Quick Reload ammo on the Clean Shot when you should've kept it for the Split Shot.
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  9. #39
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    Quote Originally Posted by pandabearcat View Post
    Precasting reloads is really silly.
    It is really annoying, but it's for maximizing damage as you'll get Reload and Quick Reload up for your opener while starting with 5 Ammo.
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  10. #40
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cascadi View Post
    Uh, for the 9th cast it's going to be a 50% of proccing Clean Shot. You don't have any ammo at that point, so both sets are equal? I don't understand what you are trying to get at...
    I explained it as best as I could... please reread & try to grasp what I meant.

    One version has higher probability of success than another.

    Returning later to address the QR discrepancy as well.
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