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    pandabearcat's Avatar
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    Alizebeth Bequin
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    Brynhildr
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Yea, but everyone makes mistakes like above - if you have something to help you survive that, it can turn a wipe into something salvageable.

    If everyone played perfectly sure, you don't need any of that.

    I approve of dropping your crappy leg shots and giving you foes - as of right now this is the reason we have a bard instead of a mch - TP and MP battery is mostly a thing of the past, except for very specific fights.
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    Eastcoast Ping
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    Gilgamesh
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    Bard Lv 70
    Finalizing a guide that goes over single target opener and rotation as well as aoe rotation and pet management. It should be out soon. As the wise YoshiP once said, please look forward to it.
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    Leeora Solus
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    Exodus
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    Machinist Lv 60
    Alrighty. So I ended up leaving that FC anyways due to other reasons, but during that time I got myself a DPS parser. I am pretty depressed with what I came across. When I pop my cooldowns and go burst with a strong opener I can get about 625 dps. After that initial burst I drop drastically to just barely being able to hit 500 dps usually lingering in the 480 zone. My ilvl is 167. Been trying to wrack my head around it as I am using one of the opener and rotations from the first post of this thread as suggested to me by someone. For some reason I cannot figure out what I am doing wrong. I am keeping things steady and popping procs as they appear..
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    datboycuong's Avatar
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    Dark Chibii
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    Balmung
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Leeora View Post
    Alrighty. So I ended up leaving that FC anyways due to other reasons, but during that time I got myself a DPS parser. I am pretty depressed with what I came across. When I pop my cooldowns and go burst with a strong opener I can get about 625 dps. After that initial burst I drop drastically to just barely being able to hit 500 dps usually lingering in the 480 zone. My ilvl is 167. Been trying to wrack my head around it as I am using one of the opener and rotations from the first post of this thread as suggested to me by someone. For some reason I cannot figure out what I am doing wrong. I am keeping things steady and popping procs as they appear..
    I am ilvl162 with ilvl142 weapon and I open with 1100 and go down to about 700 after 3 minutes or so. Watch haxetc's videos.. he thoroughly understands the job whether he still mistakes or not but he does play it well.
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    Ryaz Darksbane
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    Brynhildr
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    Samurai Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Leeora View Post
    Been trying to wrack my head around it as I am using one of the opener and rotations from the first post of this thread as suggested to me by someone. For some reason I cannot figure out what I am doing wrong. I am keeping things steady and popping procs as they appear..
    I'm ilvl 180 with the 180 law weapons. I usually burst around 1200-1300 (hit 1400 once) and then drop down to about 850. It just takes practice and making sure you're using your cooldowns when they're ready (only saving Blood for Blood to match up with Hawk's a Eye, Rapid Fire and Wildfire). GB's cast time into instant attacks when split shot procs also takes some getting used to, because it doesn't have a steady rhythm like most jobs. Just keep at it and you'll get it.
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    Naesala L'arachel
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    Odin
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    Pugilist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Leeora View Post
    When I pop my cooldowns and go burst with a strong opener I can get about 625 dps. After that initial burst I drop drastically to just barely being able to hit 500 dps usually lingering in the 480 zone. My ilvl is 167. Been trying to wrack my head around it as I am using one of the opener and rotations from the first post of this thread as suggested to me by someone. For some reason I cannot figure out what I am doing wrong. I am keeping things steady and popping procs as they appear..
    I can sustain 460 dps at lv57 in bossfights in the Vault. You're doing something really weird. Is that including your turret?
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    Ryaz Darksbane
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    Brynhildr
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    Samurai Lv 100
    ^This... Did you include your turret in your calculations? It's parsed separately unless you set it to merge pets in the plug in settings.
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    Leeora Solus
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    Exodus
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    Machinist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryaz View Post
    ^This... Did you include your turret in your calculations? It's parsed separately unless you set it to merge pets in the plug in settings.
    *facepalms* No.. I did not take that in consideration. Wow, I am dumb. Also I am using the FFApp for the parser as I have not gotten ACT to work out very well on my computer.
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    Dervy Yakimi
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    Ragnarok
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    Lancer Lv 80
    How did someone calculate those weights for the MCH without a working damage model for the job and accurately calculated the interaction between your player and his turret? Pet scaling is different in 3.0 (evident with Fairy healing Nerf). Did someone already make a simulator or something similar to mine in Excel?

    I'd like to see it.

    I see no reason why Skillspeed is valued that low from yours (or whoever's) calculation. I don't see any extreme DoT clipping issues with the Machinist (correct me if I'm wrong) and Skillspeed should aid with many other things such as reduced cast time with no real cost.

    Even if MCHs have a lack of DoTs, you're still benefiting from the natural exponential growth from Skillspeed, so it doesn't really make that much sense in my head.... hahaha
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    Last edited by Dervy; 07-14-2015 at 04:47 PM.

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    Ephier Samoht
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    Ultros
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    Machinist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Dervy View Post
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    I've done nothing to calculate but I could assume why it's so low. We have the proc system that allows us to instant cast skills, one dot and not sure if turret is affected by SS. It might not be as low as it is but it will still probably be bottom of the totem pole.
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