Shots Fired: A Machinist Guide

[Kuroyasha]

how does mcn feel at 60? Feel as in while you are doing your damage, are your animations exciting? Does it feel like you're powerful? Everything Ive seen so far from others makes it look a little boring. Ofc Im still leveling up another class (nin) to 60 atm so I havent been able to try mcn for myself yet. Just curious.

[Ephier]

The animations are stale, as they should be for a gunner class. We have two flashy skills, one being clean shot, jump in the air spin and shoot. I personally hate this one, its not realistically accurate at all. The second being ricochet, which is giant laser circle aoe, being my personal favorite skill in the game.

As for feeling powerful, 3.0 MCN is hands down the weakest dps in the game. People try to say oh we do not know this and we do not know that. I am fully geared ravana weapon included, 60 MCN. The class is incredibly weak. Now when I say weak I mean their sustain damage is bad. MCN burst and aoe is quite high, but what use it that when you lack sustain in raids.

[HairyRoger]

how does mcn feel at 60? Feel as in while you are doing your damage, are your animations exciting? Does it feel like you're powerful? Everything Ive seen so far from others makes it look a little boring. Ofc Im still leveling up another class (nin) to 60 atm so I havent been able to try mcn for myself yet. Just curious.

The class is the most fun I have had with a class so far. Some people complain about the animations, but I really like them, especially ricochet. The class feels dynamic unless you fail to get procs on the combo.

The issue with the class is the low dps. You can do a near flawless rotation and parse anything from 800-900(depending on proc luck), but the amount of work you need to do, compared to the dps you do, is bad to say the least. Sustained dps is just not there at the moment.

[Ephier]

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I have argued with people on reddit and on here about optimal rotation. The OP is not without sense, if you can find something wrong with the rotation he will admit his fault and fix it. I'm sure if you could find a better one he would do the same. He already did that math for the other two or three openers presented in this post and they came up short. Not only that he wrote a scrip challenging people to beat his rotation and none have yet to be able to do it so far. I mean its easy to groan and say its not optimal, but I have tried the others ones posted here as well, and they fall short.

Anyone who takes pride in their work has an "attitude" about it. EVERYONE does it, not just the OP.

[Cupbot]

Not sure if this is known or not, but you can stack ammunition with Quick reload. Right before the buff duration ends you can quick reload for another stack. At the very least you'll have two ammo before pulls which will optimize Yuri's opener by having a guaranteed clean shot proc before you reload. Gonna punch the numbers in when I get home from the store.

[Ephier]

Not sure if this is known or not, but you can stack ammunition with Quick reload. Right before the buff duration ends you can quick reload for another stack. At the very least you'll have two ammo before pulls which will optimize Yuri's opener by having a guaranteed clean shot proc before you reload. Gonna punch the numbers in when I get home from the store.

You can just reload, and use quick reload while you wait for reload to come back up, so you will have 5 ammo to start reload at 30s and quick reload at 30s minimum.

[PlumpyMcduff]

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True. It's just his "attitude" is to demean people, it's not okay. Not only that, I would just say that while it's the 'currently optimal' method, it can't be claimed as THE optimal method which' what she's implying. Just too much pompousness is all.

I just don't think that because 'everyone' does it, that that makes it excusable.

[Cupbot]

You can just reload, and use quick reload while you wait for reload to come back up, so you will have 5 ammo to start reload at 30s and quick reload at 30s minimum.

That makes more sense

[Ephier]

True. It's just his "attitude" is to demean people, it's not okay. Not only that, I would just say that while it's the 'currently optimal' method, it can't be claimed as THE optimal method which' what she's implying. Just too much pompousness is all.

I just don't think that because 'everyone' does it, that that makes it excusable.

Everyone does not use that opener, but that opener beat 4 that I came up with, 2 or 3 that were posted here. By all means come up with an opener and run it through that script. To be honest when people act pompous it just incites me to prove them wrong, not get upset over it. That build currently gets me 900~950 sustained on dummy with no DRG, food or pots. If you can find me a better opener I'll use it, but til then I'ma use the "optimal" way.

[PlumpyMcduff]

Everyone does not use that opener, but that opener beat 4 that I came up with, 2 or 3 that were posted here. By all means come up with an opener and run it through that script. To be honest when people act pompous it just incites me to prove them wrong, not get upset over it. That build currently gets me 900~950 sustained on dummy with no DRG, food or pots. If you can find me a better opener I'll use it, but til then I'ma use the "optimal" way.

Not invalidating the fact that it's currently the strongest of known methods... it is. It's just that it's too early to tout it as a matter of fact, which the OP does.

I use it when I'm not experimenting because it is the strongest known. I'm not angry, just calling out--don't like the OP treating others as inferior is all.

I'm determined to find a better opener & I think that I have--I just need time to draft it all up I like you am inciting to prove Cascadi wrong .

We're not so different, you & I.