New Bard feedback

[Kat_Manx]

Actually considering they just released another ranged shooty things job couldn't they have just kept the existing Bard as a mobile version of it and make Machinist a semi-stuck to the ground job? Now they are both nearly the same.

Then we could choose. :3

[gzuscry]

Those 20% in tooltip doesnt mean anything. Simple timing of mob kill occurance is all the evidence needed. Even hugely buffed EA with those ~1.3k x 3 numbers once in 2 minutes is only there to fool your brain. All the smaller numbers from autoatack and and weaving BL and SH right as they proc add up, the result is faster mob kill, its very simple i can switch targets very fast when im mobile and coordinate attacks. There is countless times when you cast your skill but the mob dies before it goes off and recasting it doubles the skills go off time, so in essence those 20% result in huge loss, while you could in same time 3 to 4 times sammed the "20% lesser" ability. 20% doesnt compensate for all the times your cast doesnt go off.
One more thing with those cast time ME is simply beyond usless. 20% of mobs hp dissapear too quickly for you to weave it in time, all you can see is how it procs and then die a little inside because you were in the middle of the cast. BLM have skill for them to deffend them a little while casting and being in some not so damaging aoe, but us bards and machinists too i imagine is nightmare for healers. Bosses have so many very quick small aoe's that to be 100% efficient at avoiding them your dps will be so low that i guess in near future you'll be outright kicked for being the hindrance by being in at all outside some some boss openers or phase shifts. And phase shifts is a time to sing for party refreshments and not waist valuable 3 second to yap some WM whose benifits are only philosophical.

[Mhikail]

Nvm, not trying to start a war here since people are getting pissed and/or aggressive lmao.
*Leaves thread before I get shot with millions of flaming arrows of doom.*

[Miah_Dakwhil]

Nvm, not trying to start a war here since people are getting pissed and/or aggressive lmao.
*Leaves thread before I get shot with millions of flaming arrows of doom.*

Don't worry.. the cast bar will give ya plenty of time to make a run

[Catwho]

It's useful for large group AOEs where you have a good tank and you don't have to dodge anything. Then 20% damage boost makes up for the loss of auto attacks. Usual rule applies - 3 or more mobs is worth the AOE damage. 1-2 is not, so take off WM.

[Rose-Wild]

So when are they going to adress the game breaking bug on bard that doesn't do any action till bloodletter is ready again???
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3060121

[Volgera]

So when are they going to adress the game breaking bug on bard that doesn't do any action till bloodletter is ready again???
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3060121

OMG..this happened to me last night while I was fighting Bismark!! I though I was lagging since I tried to click any skill and it was not responding. Damn.

[Waeksyn]

I haven't done the math but the new stance really screws up on OGC skill weaving. Doing OGC skills (a key part of overall BRD dps) now will delay the start of the next WM buffed weaponskill, reducing overall DPS.

Barrage is a welcome change, although it should apply to more actions than single shot weaponskills.

[Xyth]

Ok so I'm not the only one who had that BRD bug where I couldn't use any skills. I was literally spamming my keyboard, almost thought I broke it. Happened to me so many time in instances, I wasn't sure what was causing it.

Anyway. I want to put my 2 cents in about the BRD changes. When I first got to 60, wielding ilvl 145 weapon, I thought to myself that my DPS, just by sheer numbers compared to other classes were by far incredibly less than other DPS classes using the same ilvl weapon. In 2.0, I could at least keep up with other DPS while everyone was using Zeta. I was pushing 700 DPS while other damage classes were near 900. I've had a considerable time now since 60, to play around weaving in and out of Wanderer's Minuet. What I concluded is, it sucks.

...cont.

[Xyth]

I just don't want to give a judgement call on the playstyle change, (because in all honesty, the whole standing still is a COMPLETE change in how BRD is, no matter how anyone tries to argue that). I gave WM a try, I wanted to use it to it's full potential. The dmg compensation that comes WM is entirely debatable. WM is very situational, as some said. It's useless in Titan fight, we are required to move too much.

Here's an example of a fight that I was yesterday. I was in a party for Nevereap, and the 2 DPS was me and another BRD. I ran WM, and the other BRD only did WM at the start of battle, and turned it off after the rotation. From numbers alone, we were equal. I wielded the ilvl 180 bow, and she used ilvl 170 bow. Now for last boss, the other BRD beat me by just about 150 DPS, because all the movement we had to do. Other BRD could move and attack, while I had to continue to interrupt, then cast. I should've just turned it off, but this was for experiment purposes.

...cont.