New Bard feedback

[Mhikail]

You can search my post history. I never asked for it...

Many Bards don't even sing dude lol.
Plenty on here complained about "I don't even sing, I wanna DPS!!!1"
Numerous topics about them not singing and that was the main response.
But they knew what Bard entailed when you picked it.
So when they finally go "Okay we'll toss a stance" you get one, but you aren't mobile.
You had to pick one lol. Bards are a hyrbid, they can't have it all or it'll be unbalanced.
Blame the Bard Brethern's lol.

This entire problem would of been tossed out if they gave a
Ranger...and a Bard.
A true DPS and a Support/Healer.

[Kat_Manx]

Actually considering they just released another ranged shooty things job couldn't they have just kept the existing Bard as a mobile version of it and make Machinist a semi-stuck to the ground job? Now they are both nearly the same.

Then we could choose. :3

[Kayote]

Yeah, let's change the play style of an existing class, and give that gameplay to a new one.

You're kidding right? Because that's idiotic.

Nope, not kidding. I like it, hope it stays and is expanded upon in the future. Like I said before, it fits Archery better and removes our mobility in favor of higher numbers. You dont like it, fine... too bad for you. You can suck it up or try another class. This isnt the first Hunter/Archer/Bard/Ranger class to get changes to its mobility, it wont be the last. The only thing "idiotic" is expecting things never to change in an MMO because you dont like it.

[Rose-Wild]

Bards complaining about having a DPS stance when they originally were tearful about being the supportive type.
So they hear your plea and gave you something to work with, in exchange of mobility loss.
You asked for it. You can't have be a better DPS, have mobility AND support.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Surprise surprise the so called dps stance doesn't give us more dps. Go back to your cave ty.

[Spawnie]

Many Bards don't even sing dude lol.
Plenty on here complained about "I don't even sing, I wanna DPS!!!1"

i sing *o* if i see blackmage in group instant foes... healers 1/2 mp left i pop a song with battle voice to give them a quick boost :P

i love the new bard song n skills.. sayin that theres some boss fights its really not recommended to use minuets in like final vault boss etc XD

[Mhikail]

Surprise surprise the so called dps stance doesn't give us more dps. Go back to your cave ty.

Wanderers Minuet: Increases damage dealt by 20%. You cannot auto-attack in this stance. Cast times are added to all archer and bard weapon-skills. Can be used with other songs. Effect ends upon reuse.

Explain.

[gzuscry]

Those 20% in tooltip doesnt mean anything. Simple timing of mob kill occurance is all the evidence needed. Even hugely buffed EA with those ~1.3k x 3 numbers once in 2 minutes is only there to fool your brain. All the smaller numbers from autoatack and and weaving BL and SH right as they proc add up, the result is faster mob kill, its very simple i can switch targets very fast when im mobile and coordinate attacks. There is countless times when you cast your skill but the mob dies before it goes off and recasting it doubles the skills go off time, so in essence those 20% result in huge loss, while you could in same time 3 to 4 times sammed the "20% lesser" ability. 20% doesnt compensate for all the times your cast doesnt go off.
One more thing with those cast time ME is simply beyond usless. 20% of mobs hp dissapear too quickly for you to weave it in time, all you can see is how it procs and then die a little inside because you were in the middle of the cast. BLM have skill for them to deffend them a little while casting and being in some not so damaging aoe, but us bards and machinists too i imagine is nightmare for healers. Bosses have so many very quick small aoe's that to be 100% efficient at avoiding them your dps will be so low that i guess in near future you'll be outright kicked for being the hindrance by being in at all outside some some boss openers or phase shifts. And phase shifts is a time to sing for party refreshments and not waist valuable 3 second to yap some WM whose benifits are only philosophical.

[Aistaraina]

Surprise surprise the so called dps stance doesn't give us more dps. Go back to your cave ty.

Wanderers Minuet: Increases damage dealt by 20%. You cannot auto-attack in this stance. Cast times are added to all archer and bard weapon-skills. Can be used with other songs. Effect ends upon reuse.

Explain.

Approximately 23% of BRD DPS is auto-attacks. Net 3% loss, on top of a lot other issues related to skill use while under WM.

Explained.

[Lyaha]

post

You want to play that kind of class, why don't you go play Machinist, an entirely new class perfect for a new play style design, meanwhile, how about leaving Bard the fuck alone for people who didn't want to play a bloody BRD/BLM mix up.

I don't mind rotation changes, I don't mind extra abilities that we need to take into consideration, what I don't accept is changing the way we cast our abilities, especially with a skill that's so poorly designed.

Just because stupid decisions were made in other games doesn't mean it should happen here, so please, go play Machinist and let the rest of us enjoy the class we've been playing for the past two years.

[Mhikail]

Nvm, not trying to start a war here since people are getting pissed and/or aggressive lmao.
*Leaves thread before I get shot with millions of flaming arrows of doom.*