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    Player
    Akuryu's Avatar
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    Aku Ryu
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    Sargatanas
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    Gladiator Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Chek View Post
    Why do you need to move constantly? If you aren't kiting something then sit your hyperactive ass down and do your damage.

    Welcome to playing the Shoot, Step, Shoot, Step game that BLM's have been playing for so long. You'll get the hang of it.
    Because all jobs should play the same? Is that the goal? Turning Bard into a BLM with arrows takes away the uniqueness of it's playstyle.
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    Chek's Avatar
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    Carde Graves
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    Faerie
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    Thaumaturge Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Akuryu View Post
    Because all jobs should play the same? Is that the goal? Turning Bard into a BLM with arrows takes away the uniqueness of it's playstyle.
    You want to talk about the uniqueness of its playstyle, then they should have kept it as a support class instead of a dps.
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    Duelle's Avatar
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    Duelle Urelle
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    Diabolos
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    Red Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Chek View Post
    You want to talk about the uniqueness of its playstyle, then they should have kept it as a support class instead of a dps.
    Except support wouldn't fit in this MMO since it is (thankfully) balanced around the trinity.

    Either way, that has nothing to do with the fact that instead of working out alternatives for BRD to grow into, they essentially are turning it into a caster. That's a pretty big problem design-wise.
    Quote Originally Posted by UltimateAoe2 View Post
    It's just because they made Bard more so a "DPS" role.
    What, first people complain that Bard does low damage, and when they get "buffed", people don't like it?
    There's other ways to do it. The next logical step would be abilities reacting off each other in some way. If a stance has to be included, then have it nerf the current BRD songs or alter them in some way.

    Granted, I'm of the opinion a DPS like ARR's BRD should be more about steady DPS with minor burst options, and that's what I feel they should have built the job around going into Heavensward.
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
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    Tonkra's Avatar
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    Quichy Sturmbruch
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    Ragnarok
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    Thaumaturge Lv 59
    Quote Originally Posted by Akuryu View Post
    Because all jobs should play the same? Is that the goal? Turning Bard into a BLM with arrows takes away the uniqueness of it's playstyle.
    play machinist instead now with gimpy dps ;D lol

    you can move all the time you want, but you will do damage like a paladin ;D


    and i think thats why they changed bard.. because they implemented machinist now..
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    Last edited by Tonkra; 06-26-2015 at 01:50 AM.

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    Warlyx's Avatar
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    Warlyx Arada
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    Moogle
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Tonkra View Post
    play machinist instead now with gimpy dps ;D lol

    you can move all the time you want, but you will do damage like a paladin ;D


    and i think thats why they changed bard.. because they implemented machinist now..
    Gaus barrel <you can have this> (GB sucks too )
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    Aezelas's Avatar
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    Eviv Bulgroz
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    Zodiark
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    Monk Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Chek View Post
    Why do you need to move constantly? If you aren't kiting something then sit your hyperactive ass down and do your damage.

    Welcome to playing the Shoot, Step, Shoot, Step game that BLM's have been playing for so long. You'll get the hang of it.
    If I wanted the BLM gameplay, i'd play one.
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    AskaRay's Avatar
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    Aeon Rakshasa
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    Lich
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    Bard Lv 100
    I actually use it p often in the open world... if it's something I know ill be kiting around then no, I don't use it. Most enemies though I can either kill before they get too close or it takes half a second to move.

    Remember it's a stance...if.you honestly think you are personally going to suffer a dps loss while using it then turn it off
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    ExiaQuanta's Avatar
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    Reimi Namikaze
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    Leviathan
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    Archer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by AskaRay View Post
    I actually use it p often in the open world... if it's something I know ill be kiting around then no, I don't use it. Most enemies though I can either kill before they get too close or it takes half a second to move.

    Remember it's a stance...if.you honestly think you are personally going to suffer a dps loss while using it then turn it off
    What he said ^

    What i have been playing around is something along the lines of: WM > Some buff skills > Nuke (if you want to) > Turn off WM and play the way i did before WM. This way at least your DoTs will have that 20% boost for a bit while your not in WM and kiting around. Again, like i said I think having WM on a easy button will make all this stuff a lot easier LOl, or macro it to a side button on your mouse (If you use a mouse and have side buttons)
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    lordoftheapes79's Avatar
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    Ul'dah
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    Lil'bit Gnawdy
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Pugilist Lv 60
    Admittedly, I haven't used it much yet, but primals can explain when and when not to use it. You will never want this in a fight like titan, because you're constantly moving. In 2.0 the most popular way to clear titan hm was with 5 bards. Leviathan on the other hand doesn't need you to move and shoot too much. So you could have it up most of the time and maintain dps with the mages. The dps for a bard has never been about when you have to move its about being able to attack when others are dodging. If you're in a fight that doesn't have a lot of motion your dps is inevitably going to be lower than a blm.
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    Ayuh'ra Bajhiri
    World
    Mateus
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 90
    I am a little sore over this change because it means being an ideal bard means spending time anchored to one spot. I can't speak for people who main bard but as a main BLM having a bard alt job was heaven because of the mobility.
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