Gating the whole expansion

[DreadRabbit]

Slowly grinding out levels for every class - mostly. And when I'm not on, there's this place called IRL - where I spend most of my time.




I'm sorry, there might be a misunderstanding here. Translation (dejected): It feels like "oh well" ...really, "oh well"

It's in the opening part of a soliloquy from a tragic character in one of my favourite animés.

Ah, forgive me for assuming otherwise. Just on the internet you almost have to. Without knowing the context that kanji can mean all kinds of things in regards to feeling. *gives a thumbs up* You keep on doing what you're doing then ^^ I appreciate you taking the time to answer too.

[Nyrania]

First time around here, don't eat me

So OP I kinda understand how you feel, but probably for different reasons. I just got past Castrum yesterday (we did it in undersized party with two friends, because we wanted to watch all the cutscenes), so I'm even further from Heavensward then you are. But I don't mind that the main story, the new areas, or hell, even the new jobs are locked from me, because it makes sense.
What I do mind is that my current job levels past 50 won't amount to anything, because the new job abilities are also gated behind "Before the Dawn". That is what doesn't make sense to me. The trainer is in 2.0 areas, I have the level.. so what? The Ishgardians have to make a run down to Gridania and tell my Summoner trainer what Painflare is?

On the bright side, at least we're having fun trying to catch up, Castrum was crazy with two DPS and a Healer xD

So I guess all I can say is keep at it OP, we'll be at the gates sooner or later.

[Vangl]

The butthurt with many of you is strong.

What is the purpose of a game? To have fun.
Is this fun for someone to play fetch for several hours before they can zone into Ishgard? No.
Just because you did it doesn't mean everyone else should have to.

I've done savage coil and final coil out the woozah, but I don't think people should have to complete those before moving on to Alexander or Ishgard. Do you know why? Because it's a game and I want everyone who plays to enjoy it. Should the expansion be gated by 2.0 story? Yea, why not. It gets you to 50 anyway and the story up to 50 has been regarded as the "tutorial" for the game anyway. Can any of you give a good reason behind completing 2.55 before going to Ishgard without repeating the same, tired line which is "BUT BUT BUT STORY"?

Not everyone shares your point of view. Try to remember that it is a game and it should be enjoyable.

[BreathlessTao]

The point here is that this is a big problem. How can someone be OK with paying for an expansion and being the required level only to find out that they have to run through tons of stupid Pre-expansion bullcrap quests in order to access the main content that they paid for? The answer to me is it is NOT ok and a total stupid move on SE's part. I paid for the expansion and am the required level. Yet I am STUCK doing pre-expansion bullcrap.

If the main story of game of a series that has been story-focused ever since the very beginning is only "tons of stupid pre-expansions bullcrap quests" for you, you might just need another game to play.......

[Vangl]

^ See what I mean?

[Lewtskie]

What is the purpose of a game? To have fun.
Is this fun for someone to play fetch for several hours before they can zone into Ishgard? No.
Just because you did it doesn't mean everyone else should have to.

What's to measure fun? Is it possible for a game to always be 100% fun?
If the fun drops below 100% is it considered not fun anymore?
What's the minimum for something to be determined as fun?
If a game has even a single moment where the fun drops below that 100% does that make a game a failure?
Is that moment the same for everyone?
What if one moment is not fun for one person and then a different moment for another?

[Vangl]

Oh man, I never thought of there being a measured unit for fun! What should it be? Funograms? Funsius? Funs per hour? With your questions we could make it like the movie Speed. "Don't let the game slow down to under 55 funs per hour or we all die!" Just have fun

[Alunari]

The more time you spend bellyaching on the forums about a decision that was made long ago, the more you could actually be progressing.

Whilst this is mostly true, I want to complete the MSQ but my progress has come to a screaching halt.

I am stuck behind the Chrysalis trial at the moment, I can't progress unless I get it completed, yet most groups seem to try a couple of attempts then give up. At this moment I feel like I'm stuck in an eternal cycle of duty finder queues and failed Chrysalis attempts.

[Reinha]

The butthurt with many of you is strong.

What is the purpose of a game? To have fun.
Is this fun for someone to play fetch for several hours before they can zone into Ishgard? No.
Just because you did it doesn't mean everyone else should have to.

I've done savage coil and final coil out the woozah, but I don't think people should have to complete those before moving on to Alexander or Ishgard. Do you know why? Because it's a game and I want everyone who plays to enjoy it. Should the expansion be gated by 2.0 story? Yea, why not. It gets you to 50 anyway and the story up to 50 has been regarded as the "tutorial" for the game anyway. Can any of you give a good reason behind completing 2.55 before going to Ishgard without repeating the same, tired line which is "BUT BUT BUT STORY"?

Not everyone shares your point of view. Try to remember that it is a game and it should be enjoyable.

Coil isn't required because it's a standalone story. If it was tied to the main scenario there would be an easy mode with high completion rates that could be done via Duty Finder just like the rest of story instances.

Let me exaggerate in turn. Since the point of any game is to be fun, shouldn't they just remove gil and leveling and make everything free? That's fun. Add some horror and gore effects for the lolz. Oh and put in open world forced pvp and make everyone have to eat food to stay alive like in Sims. Cause that's fun too. Do you see my point yet? One game cannot successfully cater to every possible type of gamer. What is fun to some people is not fun to others and the game developers have to choose who they want to make the game for. This MMO is not like other MMOs because there would be no point in just making a clone of some other game. FFXIV attracts a specific gamer crowd, the story loving MMO players. Making the story optional all of a sudden would change this game's foundation, make it less unique an MMO and alienate some of it's current player base.

What is the purpose of a story driven fantasy MMO? To deliver fun through a fantasy story. If new players can't even be bothered to read the big text next to the "purchase" button or visit a game's official website for info then they have some life lessons to learn. I don't know how else to put it. Don't buy a game if you don't want to play it how it's supposed to be played or if you can't be bothered to find out how it's supposed to be played. It's fine if people don't like the story but buying the expansion blindly and then asking for the game to be changed is not ok.

Can anyone give me a good reason without saying "BUT BUT BUT STORY!!!!!!" And that's literally what you did was give the story as a reason. Nice exaggeration though.

The game is REALLY fun even without paying attention to the story. That's why not everyone cares.

You missed the point I think. The story is the only valid reason needed because it's the basis of this game. It's what the developers use to pace content. I wasn't trying to give any other reason. Just because you are tired of hearing it doesn't make it any less valid. It's the same thing if someone said "Can anyone give me a good reason why we have to level up without saying BUT BUT BUT CHARACTER PROGRESSION!!!" or "Can anyone give me a good reason why we have to play with other players without saying BUT BUT BUT MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER!!!". Ignoring counterarguments you don't like to hear doesn't make your own argument stronger.

Hate to say it, but I told you so. It seems you "veterans" don't know new players after all.

Darn i'm tired!

You didn't tell anyone so. There are more new players in this very thread saying they don't mind the requirement (including me), than those who say they do. I find it hilarious that you still claim to know what every new player wants

[Alunari]

If you have invested the time wasted in this thread actually doing the MSQ you would be already flying in the new areas, just saying

Not true, being trying to get passed Chrysalis since yesterday! I'm poking this thread BECAUSE I'm in a queue, not instead of trying to progress.